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Old 12-18-2003, 07:29 AM   #1
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Angry Open Source Kills Innovation?


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What this exercise creates is the assumption that open-source software kills software innovation because it effectively, over time, kills the funding for it. Much of the innovation we have today comes from proprietary companies.
-- Rob Enderle "Innovation Loses If Open Source Wins"
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We've got to protect our phoney-baloney jobs!
-- Mel Brooks in "Blazing Saddles"
 
Old 12-18-2003, 07:48 AM   #2
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Whatever.

True innovation does not revolve around sitting in a Faraday cage and making things up as you go, IMO - it involves listening to people who are actually going to USE this software and implementing their requests.

FUD <- present.

http://pcmunkey.net/h1/shensign.gif <- present.
 
Old 12-18-2003, 08:33 AM   #3
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As I write this, I'm getting ready to leave for Comdex, where I'll moderate a panel on the importance of Microssoft's .NET framework.
How did this one slip by everyone?
 
Old 12-18-2003, 08:41 AM   #4
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mcleodnine,

Stop spamming our forums with FUD...
 
Old 12-18-2003, 08:55 AM   #5
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Enderle's so bent he's not worth paying attention to. I like reading pro- and anti-Linux and MS stuff but it has to have *some* kind of merit and insight, so I didn't follow the link.

And some style. The UNIX-Haters Handbook, for instance, is a blast. Enderle's lame.
 
Old 12-18-2003, 10:58 AM   #6
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That article is about as well thought out as Steve Ballmer's "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself, in an intellectual property sense, to everything it touches."
 
Old 12-18-2003, 09:51 PM   #7
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Originally posted by trickykid
mcleodnine,

Stop spamming our forums with FUD...
lol
 
Old 12-18-2003, 10:06 PM   #8
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There is a point to be considered. Software engineering is very popular and I'll be the first to say some of the greatest applications were created by 'amateurs' (note - I use this word in the "Does not get paid for production" sense, no hidden meanings implied!). But does anyone really think computing would be as popular or have advanced as far as it has if slinging code wasn't so profitable? I've often thought that companies like Trolltech which use a "Free for you to use, but if you wanna cash in you pay us first" type of license to be the future of computing.
 
Old 12-19-2003, 03:27 AM   #9
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There's nothing wrong with commercial software. But the article's purport is that the existence of open-source software stifles innovation, which simply isn't true.

Commercial companies can innovate, but I am of the opinion that it is small companies that do so; companies that get to a certain size often seem to become incapable of innovation. They survive and progress by acquiring smaller companies and their innovative products.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 03:34 AM   #10
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Innovation is dangerous to larger companies. At a certain point, risk/reward becomes moot, as they are based on reward. I also agree that most innovation comes from small companies, but I would add that it comes from companies too small to worry about losing. ID software is a prime example. They changed gaming forever (across all platforms), but when they started, they were only a handful of people. Meanwhile, MS hasn't come out with anything truly original in 20 years.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 07:46 PM   #11
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MS has done a few interesting things, you have to give it that.
Sure not very original, but you have to give them credit for packaging everything the way they did. They should be given some credit, I think Windows 3.11, and 95 were rather large advancements. That's beside the point though.

I think opensource makes innovation happen much faster. I'd personally like to use something that was made by people because they want to, enjoy it, and have an interesting in making it work well, then using something that was made by underpaid code monkeys somewhere in india.
 
Old 12-23-2003, 06:23 AM   #12
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If you care about a program, you're gonna make it work well. no matter which liscense.
Of course, opensourcers are usually more motivated, and care about thier projects.

titanium_geek
 
Old 12-23-2003, 01:09 PM   #13
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In my personal opinion...

Open source does not stiffle innovation, but rather it encourages it. Why? Because anyone can jump in and alter code to make it better for everyone or just themselves. It forces companies as well as free developers to make their product better.

I will say that open source DOES prevent a company from making an obscene amount of money. They have to find new ways to make money, and some make it, some dont.

I hate to sound like a new age hippy, but lets face it. How many great inventions and innovations have been produced only to be shot down because of lack of money, or because some company felt threatened that they might only make 10 mil/year rather than 15mil. (ex. cars that dont use gas, free electricity)

-Steph
 
Old 12-23-2003, 01:17 PM   #14
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On the other hand it promotes it.

Promotion in the sense that all can contribute to make a project better for everyone and in the end, the community benefits.

Just the thought of being able to contribute to the community invokes innovation.
 
Old 12-24-2003, 10:31 AM   #15
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Yeah, of course most innovation comes from small companies.

I'd go so far as to say when Microsoft was fairly new, they were still innovative. I think that went away after Windows 3.1, but that's just my opinion...
 
  


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