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dugan 10-06-2017 07:45 PM

On 9/11, what/who brought down the World Trade Center?
 
Just wanted to get a sense of where the General Forum stands on this.

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jsbjsb001 10-06-2017 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5767144)
Just wanted to get a sense of where the General Forum stands on this.

Note: results are NOT anonymized.

Planes that were hi-jacked.

frankbell 10-06-2017 08:47 PM

Oh, please.

ondoho 10-07-2017 12:57 AM

no, i think 15 years later we might be able to discuss this reasonably.

i have no opinion, just a suggestion:
faking a terrorist attack to further one's own interests - i'm sure it's been done, somewhere, sometime, also before 2001.

jsbjsb001 10-07-2017 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 5767193)
no, i think 15 years later we might be able to discuss this reasonably.

i have no opinion, just a suggestion:
faking a terrorist attack to further one's own interests - i'm sure it's been done, somewhere, sometime, also before 2001.

Are you saying/suggesting that 9/11 was an "inside job" ??

ntubski 10-07-2017 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 5767193)
no, i think 15 years later we might be able to discuss this reasonably.

Like all those "reasonable" discussions about the Kennedy assasination, you mean?

DavidMcCann 10-07-2017 11:38 AM

As internet rules go, "Don't encourage the conspiracy theorists" ranks just after "Don't feed the trolls". The question is too stupid to deserve a response.

colorpurple21859 10-07-2017 08:50 PM

I googled it a few years ago and came across a video proved the towers was an inside job, and google always tells the truth. :)

ondoho 10-08-2017 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ntubski (Post 5767299)
Like all those "reasonable" discussions about the Kennedy assasination, you mean?

ok, you got me there :D

sundialsvcs 10-08-2017 03:12 PM

The Kennedy assassination was a cut-and-dry sniper job that only killed one person.

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There is zero doubt in my mind that the three(!) WTC towers that collapsed on that day were all brought down by the expert use of exotic high explosives. This is especially evident when you watch the WTC-7 building drop into its own footprint: the penthouse begins to drop a fraction of a second sooner than the rest, exactly as a demolition expert would do.

This was expert's expert demolition ... "as good as it gets, three times in a row." If these cats could only reveal that they had done it, anyone who wanted anything blown-down would be beating a pathway to their door.

Also Remember: WTC-7, which collapsed hours later and which was never hit by anything, was the location of the "terrorism response center" for the City of New York! Obviously, the complete plan was for this building to collapse while key government officials were inside of it, trying to deal with the situation. (How it happens that they weren't there ... how they knew not to be there ... is not a matter that now needs be revealed.)

I am quite sure by now that the US Government knows who did it – there aren't that many companies on Planet Earth who could have, and even fewer of them who could have worked inside those buildings for many weeks without attracting the slightest bit of attention to themselves.

But, I also know that "the official cover story is all that you're ever(!) going to get!" :eek:

In my opinion, "there are things in this world that need to be, and that need to remain, 'State Secrets.'" And the actual truth of 9/11 is one of those things, because full disclosure would potentially reveal far too much information to future adversaries. They don't need to know what we know. They also don't need to know too much about what we did in response. They can "read between the lines" if we choose to give them any lines to read-between, which is precisely why we should give them nothing.

On the one hand, "the public has the right to know." But on the other, "Knowledge Is Power.™" Therefore, "sometimes, 'no, the public doesn't have the right to know, and in fact must not know!'"

ondoho 10-09-2017 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sundialsvcs (Post 5767733)
But, I also know that "the official cover story is all that you're ever(!) going to get!" :eek:

i do not believe that any "official" has that sort of power - now and ever after.
that's naive.

enorbet 10-09-2017 01:46 AM

I know Americans are somewhat used to unresolved mysteries, and I suppose that's true everywhere but it is one thing for 1-4 people to meet clandestinely in a car with Jimmy Hoffa, murder and disappear his body and keep that secret (especially if all but a few witnesses are also "stopped") and quite another to keep a conspiracy of even a dozen people let alone hundreds a secret for longer than a few weeks. This is true even when the event is far from public, such as overseas drug sales to finance black ops in Nicaragua, but when who sees, who records, who reports cannot be controlled the risk of being revealed is huge and unmanageable, and therefore, unlikely at best.

Regarding 9/11 one has to ask oneself how anyone would bet on silencing any and all conspirators and witnesses as well as effectively covering up an unimaginable amount of evidence. Consider that when the previous attempt was made with the van parked under the WTC perpetrated by a handful of men, all were identified and rounded up before the year was out, iirc. The odds that even 2 out of 3 hijacked commercial jets would remain hidden long enough to hit their targets, even if only a diversion, are minimal to say the least. If we add to that crews setting up explosives and doing it in a manner that is untraceable both the comings and goings as well as the aftermath debris, all recorded on video, the odds become ridiculous. I can't say beyond any doubt that some crazed group wouldn't try but to have succeeded AND covered it up is just short of impossible in my estimation.

marius162 10-09-2017 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 (Post 5767145)
Planes that were hi-jacked.

Its weight, actually.

sundialsvcs 10-09-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 5767859)
Regarding 9/11 one has to ask oneself how anyone would bet on silencing any and all conspirators and witnesses as well as effectively covering up an unimaginable amount of evidence. Consider that when the previous attempt was made with the van parked under the WTC perpetrated by a handful of men, all were identified and rounded up before the year was out, iirc. The odds that even 2 out of 3 hijacked commercial jets would remain hidden long enough to hit their targets, even if only a diversion, are minimal to say the least. If we add to that crews setting up explosives and doing it in a manner that is untraceable both the comings and goings as well as the aftermath debris, all recorded on video, the odds become ridiculous. I can't say beyond any doubt that some crazed group wouldn't try but to have succeeded AND covered it up is just short of impossible in my estimation.

When the US Government pieced together (probably, "very quickly") the scope and extent of what had just happened, right under everyone's noses, then I think it was also immediately obvious to all that the perpetrators would be eager to receive a post facto analysis of what the United States (and New York City) did and did not know. "Knowledge Is Power," as I said, and it's a sword that cuts both ways. So, you stick to the obvious cover-story provided by those airplanes, and keep state-secret the rest of it. And I do not disagree with that decision in the slightest.

It's extremely obvious to me what happened. (The third implosion removed all reasonable doubt.) What's profoundly disturbing is that it happened at all – that it could happen at all. The immense scope and extent of the operation is quite staggering. It dwarfs the original "bomb in the basement," and "three airplane hijackings" de-evolve into nothing more than a feint. This is not the sort of thing that you want to be truthfully analyzed and discussed on the six o'clock news . . . knowing that "whoever did it" is out there taking notes!

I'm also not persuaded that "official enemies in the Middle East" had anything whatsoever to do with this, although once again they provide a convenient group to point-the-finger to. To me, it is much more probable that a group of Americans were responsible for the planning and the execution of it. Perhaps they engaged another group to provide pilots, but the pilots really didn't matter anyway.

The bottom line, though, is: "You are never going to know." Your version is that two airplanes did it, and that's all you're ever gonna get. Because, "the truth, if too-widely spread and too-widely known, is dangerous." To me, there are extremely sound reasons for keeping a secret.

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"Loose Lips Sink Ships!"

jsbjsb001 10-09-2017 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by marius162 (Post 5767914)
Its weight, actually.

What's "weight"? The buildings? The planes?

Edit: I wasn't thinking, dong! :doh:


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