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Old 11-09-2020, 08:37 PM   #1
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Arrow NY Times - Pfizer’s Early Data Shows Vaccine Is More Than 90% Effective


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/h...ne-pfizer.html

What is your opinion?

My opinion is there are too many unknowns and questionable factors.
 
Old 11-09-2020, 09:22 PM   #2
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IMO once it is "proven", 90% effectivenes will be too little.

Wonder what the acceptable practice is for currently availabe vaccines (obviously not for COVID).

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Old 11-09-2020, 09:49 PM   #3
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Wonder what the acceptable practice is for currently availabe vaccines (obviously not for COVID).
It varies widely.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...fective-it-is/
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In general, when the influenza virus strains in the vaccine match the strains that are circulating the population, such effectiveness tends to be between 40% and 60%.
https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/faqs.html
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A: Pertussis vaccines are effective, but not perfect.[...]
In general, DTaP vaccines are 80% to 90% effective
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents...ide-part4.html
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a single dose of measles vaccine protects about 95% of children, but after 2 doses, almost 100% are immune.
 
Old 11-10-2020, 01:25 AM   #4
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IMO once it is "proven", 90% effectivenes will be too little.

Wonder what the acceptable practice is for currently availabe vaccines (obviously not for COVID).

AP
According to the article, 90% is good for a vaccine, and ntubski gives some examples of others (and the influenza one is probably not a great comparison because influenza changes so often, while most viruses don't - I don't know what the difference is there, but I consistently read that comparing covid to influenza is incorrect at a scientific level). From what I remember reading about flu shots and such a few years ago, this where 'herd immunity' actually should be discussed: if (lets say) 90% of the population is immune, the ability of [virus] to spread is pretty hampered (especially because that immunity isn't fully randomized - so its more like you have clusters of non-immune groups among a sea of immunity, vs 1 in 10 of every 10 people), which effectively 'stops' things like pandemics. The article does also note that claim was not in a peer-reviewed journal, and that peer-review is still forthcoming.

Overall I'm happy to welcome a vaccine for COVID, and a return to normal life. And I have no doubt its a question of 'when' not 'if' - there are some very smart people working very hard on this.

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Old 11-10-2020, 02:37 AM   #5
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This is a joint effort together with the EU, I heard about it yesterday, looking good.
 
Old 11-10-2020, 08:16 AM   #6
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the influenza one is probably not a great comparison
I posted the influenza vaccine effectiveness figures mainly to show a lower bound on "acceptable" rates for vaccines.

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because influenza changes so often, while most viruses don't - I don't know what the difference is there, but I consistently read that comparing covid to influenza is incorrect at a scientific level)
Yes, current research shows covid mutates more slowly than influenza, e.g., https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6
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But sequencing data suggest that coronaviruses change more slowly than most other RNA viruses, probably because of a ‘proofreading’ enzyme that corrects potentially fatal copying mistakes. A typical SARS-CoV-2 virus accumulates only two single-letter mutations per month in its genome — a rate of change about half that of influenza and one-quarter that of HIV, says Emma Hodcroft, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of Basel, Switzerland.
 
Old 11-10-2020, 03:11 PM   #7
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Oh I wasn't meaning to imply you were doing anything wrong - just kind of thinking (rambling?) aloud as I've seen a lot of 'well COVID is like the flu' comparisons over the last year, and keep reading that's a bad idea. Your link to the Nature article is very interesting!
 
Old 11-12-2020, 03:24 PM   #8
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I question if he has a hand in it. https://ibb.co/CzZkMCP
 
Old 11-13-2020, 12:09 AM   #9
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I question if he has a hand in it. https://ibb.co/CzZkMCP
Huh? IMveryHO it doesn't belong here.

Why are you confused between Gates who owns and directs M$ and the Gates who through BAMGF has given a lot of cash and rescources to fight against disease, malnutrition for a long time now?

If he has an agenda it is to inculcate the use of vaccines which at the end of the day is proven and opposed only by people having their own personal agenda or having a metoo (pre #metoo) mind set.

AP

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Old 11-13-2020, 05:22 AM   #10
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One disadvantage of this particular vaccine is that it needs to be stored at a very low temperature, far lower than a normal freezer. That makes it unsuitable for use in developing countries like Peru. However the Oxford vaccine being developed by AstraZenica does not have this problem. It's nice to have a second string to one's bow.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/imperial-c...114341546.html
 
Old 11-13-2020, 07:09 AM   #11
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...One disadvantage of this particular vaccine is that it needs to be stored at a very low temperature, far lower than a normal freezer...
it is -70 Celsius.

i wont be getting it until a million of Finns take it so i can see that there are no adverse effects.
 
Old 11-13-2020, 01:03 PM   #12
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Huh? IMveryHO it doesn't belong here.

Why are you confused between Gates who owns and directs M$ and the Gates who through BAMGF has given a lot of cash and rescources to fight against disease, malnutrition for a long time now?

If he has an agenda it is to inculcate the use of vaccines which at the end of the day is proven and opposed only by people having their own personal agenda or having a metoo (pre #metoo) mind set.

AP
I am not the one who is confused. This is why, https://ibb.co/KWdt7Jj and this, https://ibb.co/zxsgxrK and this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Mdf_1LuZI

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Old 11-14-2020, 02:26 AM   #13
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I am not the one who is confused. This is why, https://ibb.co/KWdt7Jj and this, https://ibb.co/zxsgxrK and this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Mdf_1LuZI
I would like to see the full video (youtube). This snippet is spun by one Michael Hoskinson who by his other posts is politically partisan. Waddya expect?

Around 0:35
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Probably one of these numbers has to get to zero.
Which one? Not clear from this snippet which one he is driving at.

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New vaccines, health care, reproductive health services we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent but there we see an increase of about 1.3
Does anybody think that Bill Gates is saying the new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services should be lowered by 10 or 15 percent.

Reiterate that we have to see the full unedited video.

The other one is also verifiable. In fact, many other celebs travelled with epstein but all between his two convictions. (I've seen a picture of trumpf, knauss and ghislaine with epstien).

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