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Old 06-30-2005, 02:09 AM   #1
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NTFS->FAT32 Problem


I have a LaCie external USB HDD drive that was formated as FAT32 when I bought it and the size was 237 GB and I decided to convert to NTFS and that did go ok. BUt now when I want to format it to FAT32 it doesnt support that big capacity FAT32 it says, but it must go someway if they managed to get it to FAT32 and that big.


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Old 06-30-2005, 04:34 AM   #2
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If you're trying this under linux: Why FAT32? You'd only be able to use it as a data storage then, and with restrictions, as you can see. Use reiser or ext3 instead.
If you're trying this under windows: Split the hdd up into several smaller partitions, here IMHO 32 GB would be a reasonable size, and reserve ~20 GB for a linux installation

BTW try to avoid NTFS, as it's badly documented and therefore not as robust as FAT32 (which is also crap, but slightly better).


HTH

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Old 06-30-2005, 05:14 AM   #3
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Its an external HDD where I jsut will have music, films, pictures and stuff like that so I can acess and write to it from both linux and windows untill I getting better and linux and can be with out windows. But for now I need windows for some things. So thats why I want to be able to read and write from both Windows and Linux.
Which file system shall I choose then?
and I want it in one (1) big partition.
 
Old 06-30-2005, 05:39 AM   #4
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You can really only choose FAT32 if you want reliable results. There are tools that allow you to use extX in a Windows environment and alternatively there are tools that allow you to work with NTFS filesystems in a linux environment but neither of the two setups provide 100% stability. If you need your data then I'd suggest not to rely on these.

FAT32 is a horrendus filesystem, NTFS is a far better alternative in a Windows environment, unfortunately in linux if you want to talk to Windows they don't like to make things easy. FAT32 has a 4TB partition size limit I think but you'll suffer big time performance hits. Even at 200GB it won't be pretty but it'll work. I'd recommend 4 x 50GB and leave the rest blank until you get used to linux and format the whole thing with something like ext3 or XFS. 2 x 100GB wouldn't be too bad but you'd notice a slowdown as you populated the disk with files. If you feel you must have one partition then go for it, FAT32 does support sizes that big but it'll suck.
 
Old 06-30-2005, 05:44 AM   #5
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So it's already dual boot, right?
With NTFS, you'll have the issue that writing to it from linux is still somewhat unreliable (due to documentation, I've mentioned that). Try FAT32, and if your W2k or XP or whatever you use refuses to format it in the desired way, try linux fdisk/mkfs (see man fdisk, man mkfs at the console).

Concerning partitioning: You should be aware that if you're only using one partition, and this partition encounters a serious failure, all your data on the hdd will be lost. On the other hand, if you're using more than one partition, the other partitions may still be recoverable in such a case (under linux; windows will very likely refuse to mount anything, at least those partitions behind the damaged one). But it's your risk, and I'm confident that you keep backups of all your important data.
It may also be desirable for performance reasons, since the partitions on the outside of the disk will be faster than those on the inside.

HTH

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Old 06-30-2005, 05:44 AM   #6
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I can live with FAT32 in one partition until I have learn Linux enough so I dont need windows. But how do I make it to FAT32 as a 230GB partition? In wndows when Im using the cmd it says that its to big. it seems liek its a capp on 32GB in XP for the FAT32 to be, but you say 4TB I dont udnerstand. why I cant get it to work.
Just one more thing if I want to mount my USB hard drive in Ubuntu 5.04, where can I find it whats the path for the USB hard drive?

Marius yes its dual boot sort of linux and windows are on 2 different IDE Hard drives so I gota change my IDE cables to boot the other OS.

"Concerning partitioning: You should be aware that if you're only using one partition, and this partition encounters a serious failure, all your data on the hdd will be lost. On the other hand, if you're using more than one partition, the other partitions may still be recoverable in such a case (under linux; windows will very likely refuse to mount anything, at least those partitions behind the damaged one). But it's your risk, and I'm confident that you keep backups of all your important data.
It may also be desirable for performance reasons, since the partitions on the outside of the disk will be faster than those on the inside."

I know it will but Its only music and movie that I have on cds and dvds but to lazy to use them change all the time I wanna see that or listen to this and so. So even if it get a failure its not too bad. But its always bad. But ah hope you understand

Thanks in advance

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Old 06-30-2005, 06:49 AM   #7
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Use a linux partitioning program to create the large partition. See what we mean with FAT32? It supports up to 4TB (I'm 99% sure that's correct) but even Microsoft won't let you format a partition with it that's larger than 32GB, it's because you will get a major slowdown due to file fragmentation if you have a partition that large with a half-assed filesystem like FAT32.

fdisk will let you create one that large though because in the classic unix way, it doesn't care what you do to your computer because it's yours. fdisk will be installed with whatever distro you have installed, or you can find it on live CDs like Knoppix or a utilities disc like the Ultimate Boot Disc
 
Old 06-30-2005, 07:18 AM   #8
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Okej but before when I had FAT32 I didnt matter so much I just used it to listen to music from and watch movies and as I said when Im learn linux so good I dont need windows its gonna be a ext2 or 3 partition, what is prefered if I jsut want to use as a storage for files such as movies, musics, pictures etc.
 
Old 06-30-2005, 11:08 PM   #9
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Windows XP does in fact limit you to creating Fat32 drives any bigger than 32 GB. It will support any drive larger than that, of course. I guess they do that to encourage people to use NTFS. You can create the larger partition in linux or with some other 3rd party app.
 
Old 07-01-2005, 12:50 AM   #10
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Okej I see, I guess I go with a third party app in windows then cause I cant find my harddrive in linux, I can find my normal IDE hard drives but not my USB hard drive. I dont know the path to it.
BTW an OT question, When setting up X its asks me where my mouse is connected, and I dont know where cause its a USB-mouse, you know where?
 
Old 07-01-2005, 01:58 AM   #11
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Your mouse will probably be /dev/usb/mouse
Your hard-drive will likely be /dev/sda
 
Old 07-01-2005, 02:15 AM   #12
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there's mkdosfs in linux one of my friends found a port for windows he uses that when he needs to make a really large fat32 partition.

google mkdosfs you'll find it.
 
Old 07-01-2005, 02:49 AM   #13
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Okej thanks scuzzman and DaWallace, really nice thank you very much. I guess mkdosfs is free even for windows and thats making it so perfect thanks both and all who have helped me before.

EDIT: The .zip I can download I dont udnerstand where to put those files for the mkdosfs thing.

Thanks in advance

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