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Old 06-28-2013, 05:59 AM   #61
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http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3779564.htm This is from June 11 2013 Mt Dreyfus was involved and clearly states To require a warrant for every time, and it's in the thousands, the mini thousands, of times that a law enforcement agency accesses this non contact telecommunications data would mean I think that law enforcement in Australia would grind to a halt. I repeat, at this point in time they do not need a warrant for in transit (real time) surveillance.

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LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Australians who think their emails, phone calls and internet habits are their own private business should reconsider because it's very likely American spies think differently. The US President, Barack Obama, is under increasing pressure around the world after revelations of a massive surveillance program run by his country's National Security Agency. It doesn't just target Americans though; foreigners are on the hit list too. A former CIA employee revealed the huge data sweep of telephone and Internet traffic to the media. Twenty nine year old Edward Snowden is now in hiding in Hong Kong. The surveillance program almost certainly includes Australian emails and internet traffic and the Federal Government has been challenged to reveal its involvement in the scheme. Matt Peacock reports.

MATT PEACOCK, REPORTER: It's one of the most significant security leaks in US history, proof the National Security Agency is running a massive phone and internet surveillance operation across the United States and by extension the world.

EDWARD SNOWDEN, FORMER CIA EMPLOYEE: Even if you're not doing anything wrong you're being watched and recorded.

MATT PEACOCK: The man who blew the whistle is 29 year old Edward Snowden, a former low level CIA employee most recently working for an NSA consultancy company.

EDWARD SNOWDEN: The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default.

MATT PEACOCK: This interview was recorded by 'Guardian' journalists in the Hong Kong hotel where Snowden holed up after leaving his job in Hawaii three weeks ago. He's since gone into hiding facing possible extradition under a treaty with the United States.

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: There is obviously an investigation under way into this matter, and for that reason I am not going to be able to discuss specifically this individual or this investigation.

MATT PEACOCK: Snowden revealed details about the NSA's project Prism, a massive sweep of emails, chat logs and other metadata from internet companies like Google, Facebook, Yahoo, and Apple. Soon to be run from this huge data centre under construction in the Utah desert. Under a court order the NSA obtained three months of call records from US phone company, Verizon. What sparked outrage both in the US and Australia is that its mass surveillance of everyone without discrimination.

SCOTT LUDLAM, GREENS SENATOR: This is by far the largest and most invasive surveillance system of its kind ever perpetrated.

JAMES BAMFORD, FORMER US INTELLIGENCE OFFICER: Unless they think 300 million people are involved in crimes they don't have really any justification for that kind of surveillance.

MATT PEACOCK: The NSA's job is to monitor foreign threats but according to the former US intelligence officer James Bamford, it's now expanded its focus to Americans at home.

JAMES BAMFORD: They know every single day what your phone calls are, who you're calling, where their calls are going to. That's an encroachment that's way beyond anybody's right in a democracy without any kind of authorisation from the public.

MATT PEACOCK: News of the NSA's expanded domestic surveillance has already sparked this demonstration in New York. But other countries like Australia have always been legitimate NSA targets, warns James Bamford.

JAMES BAMFORD: If I was living in Australia I'd be very angry that the United States feels that they have a right to read all my email, all my, everything that goes, every time I get on the computer and start going through Google or whatever, they have a right to monitor it.

JON LAWRENCE, ELECTRONIC FRONTIERS AUSTRALIA EXECUTIVE OFFICER: It's basically certain, I think, that Australian users are being swept up in this surveillance program.

MATT PEACOCK: Australia's Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, insists other countries should observe Australian laws.

MARK DREYFUS, ATTORNEY-GENERAL: We've got a very complex legal regime here in Australia and we expect there to be a respecting of Australian's privacy by all other countries.

MATT PEACOCK: But according to the Internet privacy group, Electronic Frontier's executive drawer Jon Lawrence, the Australian Government itself is also likely to be using the US data.

JON LAWRENCE: We know that the five I's as they call them: Australia, US, Canada, UK and New Zealand, work very closely together, their intelligence communities. As you've said we know GCHQ in the UK is getting data on Brits. Until and unless the Australian Government comes out and tells us definitively otherwise I think we have to assume that Australian intelligence agencies are getting information on Australians as well from this program.

MATT PEACOCK: That may be, according to the Attorney-General it would nonetheless be legal.

MARK DREYFUS: There is a clear, firm safeguards regime here in Australia and no Australian agency has used other than in accordance with the existing legal regime in Australia, no Australian agency has had access to information on Australians.

MATT PEACOCK: The Australian Government's own surveillance powers without any judicial oversight are already considerable. Last fortnight the Australian Federal Police revealed to a Senate inquiry that in the last financial year it had made more than 43,000 requests for metadata about phone and Internet records. Some of which have been to the US.

POLICE OFFICER: More often than not that requires some sort of mutual assistance request.

NICK XENOPHON, INDEPENDENT SENATOR: And are there requests? Have requests been made to the United States?

POLICE OFFICER: Nah we have made a number of requests over the time.

MATT PEACOCK: The Independent Senator Nick Xenophon wants greater controls over such spying.

NICK XENOPHON: These current laws don't allow for any judicial oversight. We have having close to 1,000 of these interceptions taking place each week. The net that is cast is incredibly wide and the big issue here is that every public servant and journalist and MP for that matter could be subject to these sorts of intrusive data sweeps and not be any the wiser.

MATT PEACOCK: Next week Green Senator Scott Ludlam, will introduce a bill that prohibits surreal time surveillance without a warrant.

SCOTT LUDLAM: The fact is, this is spying on civilian populations on a massive scale that has nothing to do with national security. That is a vast and outrageous violation of privacy, that if they try and wave it away as simply being a matter of national security we've got to have a very serious look in Australia at the kind of powers that we grant to these sorts of agencies, as they need to do in the United States. Because quite clearly this has gone way too far.

MARK DREYFUS: To require a warrant for every time, and it's in the thousands, the mini thousands, of times that a law enforcement agency accesses this non contact telecommunications data would mean I think that law enforcement in Australia would grind to a halt.

JON LAWRENCE: You have a real danger that these security agencies gain power that is of a nature that they can start to challenge the State itself, and that's a fundamental threat to democracy.

LEIGH SALES: Matt Peacock reporting.

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