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Old 05-06-2009, 03:44 PM   #1
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Angry Not Ready for Prime Time:


Not Ready for Prime Time:

In 1996 I vowed to never give The Great Satan of Redmond one more penny and I haven't. Since then I have been trying to use Linux. The key word here is "trying".In the beginning complexity and time stopped me.
I gave up. It wasn't until 04-05 that I made a serious try. Knoppix, Puppy. DSL, Slax have all gotten
better -I like Puppy the best -. Suse, Ububtu have improved and with that improvement came bloat to rival
"Bloat XP ".

Each new version of both is a new learning experience. How about a little (Whats changed and how to do it
now) Install partitioning is poor, can't just point to linux partition and hit install here. All too much is
changed and it seems to me change only for the sake of change . KDE 4 case in point. Although finding and
mounting drives vastly improved in Suse . Repair is now missing, and sorely needed. Kcontrol was adequate. Fix Grub use to actually work but not anymore. Video drivers still (Be very very careful). Playing media , far
to much time needed to install rpms and then fix that which doesn't work. Still yet, finding answers too time
consuming. No matter where you search put in " Suse 11 and what ever" and you get links to Suse 8-9-10-10.1-
ubuntu etc. One can spend hours and not find an answer. When an answer is found we get > open terminal,
bla,bla,bla (Masters degree in computer science needed here). How about your, *.* is wrong or corrupted
open terminal and su,hit enter, reconf *.*, hit enter, and all your problems will be soveled; or unistall,
reinstall Please don't say it can't be done its more complex than that---DUH. Take a look at Puppy.
Anwsers are much easier to find and fix, mostly uninstall reinstall or run setup.

Still not ready for prime time or general pubic. I have tried to get family and friends to try Linux,14 in
total. All but 2 gave up (no time). One only uses Puppy. 2 due to partitioning disaster (still far to easy
make mistake) no longer speak to me. As some may know,sometimes one needs a BIG, blinking red warning to hit
them in the brain! Some miss all but that.

Why I posted:
Fried motherboard
Install Suse 11

Suse 11 Just plain fed up with freezes!
Hated Ubuntu 8.10 after 2 days it was gone.
When back to Suse 11
Ubuntu 9.04 Could only boot Ubuntu and BloatXP using Grub livecd
could not fix Grub. No matter what I tried.
Grub error 13, 16, 17 Twice
Suse 11.3 could not install no video. Twice
When back to Suse 11 and I am thinking about going
back to go 10.3 except I doubt nvidia 6100 will be seen.
Can not afford to buy video card.s
Too much trouble in too few days!
 
Old 05-06-2009, 04:19 PM   #2
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I am getting a mixed message, you want everything to work out of the box with all the latest drivers and multmedia with the latest kde along with it all being automatic. Everything in that message says 'bloat'. I will agree that certain drivers in linux requires jumping through hoops so to speak. It usually does not matter which distro you are using. Something that might help you with the multimedia in Suse is their wiki sight, gives you step by step with the links.

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Old 05-06-2009, 04:34 PM   #3
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Just wondering...when I read these kinds of posts, I wonder if the OP has ever had the occassion to install windows (XP or Vista) on a blank hard drive in a laptop with no drivers. With exception of the mouse or touchpad, NOTHING will work. Ah, got to have those hardware drivers....scrounge for them, search the net....hours, no days of searching for all the hardware drivers. Just did this recently for a friend. Nightmare.

Ubuntu 9.04 live CD on the same laptop? EVERYTHING worked, drivers were already there. Bloat? Maybe. But, nice to have.
 
Old 05-06-2009, 05:04 PM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlink
2 due to partitioning disaster (still far to easy
make mistake) no longer speak to me.
There's a good lesson to be learned here -- don't turn computer novice friends/relatives loose on a partitioning application.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 10:17 AM   #5
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Try slackware.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 10:28 AM   #6
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@johnlink (who will probably never post here again):

Sounds to me like in the 12 years you've been playing with Linux, you haven't practiced much. It's not that Linux isn't ready for prime time, but that you aren't ready to administer Linux.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 10:32 AM   #7
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Another case of "Don't feed the Trolls"?
There are a lot of people who have successfully installed and run Linux. If you fail, ask yourself: "Is it really the fault of the OS, or is it me?"
 
Old 05-07-2009, 10:50 AM   #8
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Another case of "Don't feed the Trolls"?
There are a lot of people who have successfully installed and run Linux. If you fail, ask yourself: "Is it really the fault of the OS, or is it me?"
You're probably right, especially if the OP disappears without a trace like usual.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 10:50 AM   #9
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As there doesn't seem to be a technical question here, I have moved this to General.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 11:21 AM   #10
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I wonder if people who post these rants are even real ... or maybe just hired out my M$ to discourage ... maybe I'm just paranoid.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 11:24 AM   #11
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They could all be Steve Ballmer using aliases.
 
Old 05-07-2009, 11:31 AM   #12
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I wish the OP didn't compare Redmond as "The Great Satan". I thought the USA was the Great Satan, (at least according to the Ayatollah), so we have a lot to live up to! Let us be the Greatest Satan EVER!!! WOOO!


I feed trolls to the abyss, or to other trolls (whichever comes first).


I have an idea, if the OP wants an out-of-box experience, but doesn't like windows, there is always OSX, that is if OP doesn't mind paying too much for a desktop system. Although I said I would never buy an Apple desktop, I might relax that thinking ONLY towards notebooks, since those tend to be expensive anyways, but that would be a rare exception.

Plus there is also Solaris/OpenSolaris. I think OP might actually have some luck with OpenSolaris, since I actually played with it on my notebook, and only thing that didn't work was media keys, but even my wifi worked. Hrmm.




--Hail Satan!
 
Old 05-07-2009, 12:09 PM   #13
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I didn't know Hugo Chavez's nickname was 'Ayatollah'!
 
Old 05-07-2009, 12:12 PM   #14
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He wasn't the original person to coin the phrase 'Great Satan.' I was referring to Ayatollah Khomeini. Chavez merely ripped off another nutjob, rather than coming up with some original insults.


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Old 05-07-2009, 12:41 PM   #15
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To me, this has never been "an issue."

Let's face it: an operating system, like a computer, is "a tool for a job." That "job" is never "to run this-or-that operating system." (Except to geeks. )

You buy a particular type of computer, and the operating system that runs it, so that you can accomplish a particular task quickly and easily. (You hope.) Therefore, if you find yourself futzing around with the operating environment, you must be doing something wrong.

Within arm's reach I've got a Linux box, a Windoze box (run as a "Limited User" with no virus-check software anywhere to be found), and a helluva OS/X box. All three of which are here for a particular purpose, and I move between them interchangeably.

Therefore: don't bother to try to get your relatives to run Linux. Don't let them get near Windows. Buy them a Mac. Of the three, in my humble, Mac is going to get them closest to what (very trivial things...) they want to do, with the least amount of fuss or opportunities for exploitation. It means nothing to them that they do their trivial things "on any particular operating environment," and it means everything that they are able to do it while "understanding" as little as possible (or nothing at all).

In the early days of motorcars (a novelty for the rich), you brought your mechanic with you. Today, you drive your car 50,000 miles and then sell it without ever once changing the oil or maybe even opening the hood. For better or worse, computers have followed the same progression: they are "consumer electronics" and nothing more.
 
  


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