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Old 04-06-2014, 01:16 AM   #1
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No More Privacy


Hi:

As a group I think we could work together on this and maybe prevent it.
I think it's really UN-necessary and it may be time to stand up as a group and say NO--
What do you think?

http://www.naturalnews.com/035416_Go...ent_noise.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/you-read...-spy-tech.html
 
Old 04-06-2014, 09:45 PM   #2
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This is not surprising.

The best way to deal with this is to avoid using Google services, all Google services, as much as possible.

I would not go so far as advocating not using an Android phone, when the primary alternatives are iJunk and Windows, but don't use the Gmail. Don't use Google search, use Startpage. Don't use Google docs. Don't use G+. Don't use Google Drive. Just don't. Minimize using Google as much as possible.

They likely know everything about you already, but you don't have to help.

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Old 04-06-2014, 09:54 PM   #3
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Although they could easily get patents for the technology used in such nefarious endeavours, they are unlikely to get a patent for the process. It is like filing for a patent on using eyes to see and ears to hear. They are trying the same thing Apple did: copyright a finger swipe. The actions the desired patent would protect are of much more concern than the patent application.
 
Old 04-07-2014, 07:19 AM   #4
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Reversals in the prevailing attitudes of a society are sometimes hard to predict, but this one isn't. Americans, in particular, are not used to living in a surveillance state, and people are beginning to notice that when they, say, "mention that they like purple bunnies" on a web-site or a social network, within a few minutes they start getting bombarded with advertisements for purple things that hop.

The legal-liability angle also has not been fully considered yet, but one day soon, it will be. Someone will get murdered, say, at 01:02:03 PM on 04/05, and it will become important to know precisely where that person was. And, as this difficult investigation continues, you might suddenly find yourself subpoenaed for detailed information about this person's whereabouts and about every person with whom this person might have interacted or even been near to. Even if your intention was merely selling purple bunnies, you find that you possess information that could be used in discovery. And, well, "you just never thought about that," because (of course) it was never before possible to collect real-time information about everybody everywhere. You just thought it would be a cool way to sell more purple bunnies.
 
Old 04-07-2014, 10:50 AM   #5
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I don't have a mic installed, and I don't have flash player installed. Thus it is physically impossible for them to listen to a non-existent mic. On my netbook I can just blacklist the drivers required to use the webcam, or I can put a bit of sticky tack over the mic and close the webcam shutter.

It doesn't get any more complicated than that.
 
Old 04-07-2014, 09:02 PM   #6
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Although they could easily get patents for the technology used in such nefarious endeavours, they are unlikely to get a patent for the process. It is like filing for a patent on using eyes to see and ears to hear. They are trying the same thing Apple did: copyright a finger swipe. The actions the desired patent would protect are of much more concern than the patent application.
What do they have to gain? (besides a profile)

Can a patent prevent an organization or business from being sued?

Friends and family that I have discussed this with are not in favor of their privacy being impinge upon.
Some are in fact pretty angry--
 
Old 04-07-2014, 09:05 PM   #7
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I don't have a mic installed, and I don't have flash player installed. Thus it is physically impossible for them to listen to a non-existent mic. On my netbook I can just blacklist the drivers required to use the webcam, or I can put a bit of sticky tack over the mic and close the webcam shutter.

It doesn't get any more complicated than that.
Do you know if they can get past my home directory encryption?
 
Old 04-07-2014, 10:31 PM   #8
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Americans, in particular, are not used to living in a surveillance state
Yes they are. So-called "Westerners", including Americans, pretend it does not happen, and when evidence is brought forth showing that it does, they ignore it. To mention only one example. How many people still use Google's e-mail service after it was revealed Google keeps a copy of every message sent by and received by their users?

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and people are beginning to notice
And quickly forget.

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What do they have to gain?
Money. Using something someone else has a patent on requires paying the patent holder a fee.
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Can a patent prevent an organization or business from being sued?
That is not the purpose. See above.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 12:33 AM   #9
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Aside from what was mentioned in those 2 articles that I linked I am now pondering the thought that there may be more on the agenda than just capital gain (money) I could be wrong (need to research more) but there may be other motives as well.

I was not aware that Google keeps a copy of every message Randy.....Thank you.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 04:41 AM   #10
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Who is that Randy person? I am RANDICVS IMPERATOR LINVX. Forget about Google and bow down before my grandeur!
 
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Do you know if they can get past my home directory encryption?
Not via the mic, but do take a look at who developed the encryption algorithm you are using.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 02:15 PM   #12
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Hi:

As a group I think we could work together on this and maybe prevent it.
I think it's really UN-necessary and it may be time to stand up as a group and say NO--
What do you think?

http://www.naturalnews.com/035416_Go...ent_noise.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/you-read...-spy-tech.html
Well, I better not have my phone at hand because if I fart, google may use their noise spying technology to bombard me with toilet related ads

As frankbell already mentioned, just don't use google services if you can.

But I do admit I use google for only two services: One is to access the play store with a gmail account. The second is the google search engine. I did tried other search engines, but google search engine just yields better results. Just my opinion...

It's not easy to keep our privacy in this post 911 world. The NSA will have or find ways to circumvent our privacy.

As for google, they will continue to invent new technologies to gather information on us as much as possible.

It's a dog-eat-dog world we live in :/

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Old 04-08-2014, 06:50 PM   #13
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Who is that Randy person? I am RANDICVS IMPERATOR LINVX. Forget about Google and bow down before my grandeur!
LOL-!-

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Not via the mic, but do take a look at who developed the encryption algorithm you are using.
I'll check that out; thanks:-
 
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The "fart angle" (ahem ...) is 'interesting.' Especially since we all know that a Marketroid just might do it!

(After all, "Marketroids" never take a ... errr, umm, well anyway ... be-cause they're full of ... ummmm )

====

However, we should expect that, as a matter of course, every bit of our e-mail communications are being recorded. (Ditto that every comment that we make on this forum or any other is being preserved, even if we "delete" them.) There is, fortunately ... (see below)
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... or, just read on ...


People so-far have been conditioned to use https:// for their on-line orders, yet they so-far do not exercise any security at all with regards to: e-mail, Facebook, Twitter ...

Entirely as a matter of course, all of my dealings with business contacts take place using GPG-secured email ... and I don't have to think twice about it, because with my e-mail software "it just works.™" When I send an e-mail to certain people, it's automatically encrypted, and when I receive one, it's automatically decrypted. (Any email that is ostensibly from them, which is not encrypted, is flagged as probably-bogus.) None of this is hard to do.

(And: decryption of the above block of ciphertext – "a simple way to deal with that" – is also "just a right-mouse click away.")

At this point, these sorts of precautions have not yet shown up on "the public Radar." But, I think, they soon will. Effective encryption can be "transparent," and very soon I think it will be. When that happens, the evesdroppers among us (yes, including The Almighty Google™) will be plunged back into the dark. Where they properly belong.

And in the meantime ... other silly-things might be taken care of. For instance, why aren't bona-fide emails from (say) Delta Airlines, automatically and routinely digitally-signed with Delta's easily-verifiable S/MIME and GPG keys?! Since we have the technology to completely-prevent bogus or tampered-with emails ... and since emails from companies like these are exceptionally important (to transportation security (!!)) ... why aren't we already doing this, and why isn't GMail's widely-used webmail service and mobile-app already doing this "routinely?"

In many ways, "it's high time that the Internet started to grow up."

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Old 04-08-2014, 07:08 PM   #15
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Well, I better not have my phone at hand because if I fart, google may use their noise spying technology to bombard me with toilet related ads

As frankbell already mentioned, just don't use google services if you can.

But I do admit I use google for only two services: One is to access the play store with a gmail account. The second is the google search engine. I did tried other search engines, but google search engine just yields better results. Just my opinion...

It's not easy to keep our privacy in this post 911 world. The NSA will have or find ways to circumvent our privacy.

As for google, they will continue to invent new technologies to gather information on us as much as possible.

It's a dog-eat-dog world we live in :/
Agreed; IMO I think it's a shame that it is this way.

I found that startpage is a fairly good search engine.
 
  


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