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business_kid 07-04-2019 10:29 AM

Next year's Huawei phones: Android without snooping?
 
It struck me that if Huawei does it half right, next year's Huawei phones could offer the Holy Grail of an Android phone without Big Brother Google knowing your every move. Personally, I don't care if it tells Beijing, I'm not likely to be there anytime soon. I don't believe it does tell Beijing, btw. But I would be rid of the persistent logging of every minute detail. If I break wind, google wants to know so it can advertise all appropriate medications :-/.

Mill J 07-04-2019 12:08 PM

I don't really think Huawei is working on their own Android version. It claims to be "Android Compatible". Android is open-source but it is still "Google Owned". They would need to create they're own OS to get rid of Google.

I think the Android/iPhone monopoly is about over. Librem 5 is not much of a worry yet. But the PinePhone sure could be. The mobile Linux operating system development is really accelerating fast recently.

ugjka 07-04-2019 12:16 PM

Just get a phone that allows rooting without hacks and flash it with something privacy oriented

273 07-04-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6011911)
It struck me that if Huawei does it half right, next year's Huawei phones could offer the Holy Grail of an Android phone without Big Brother Google knowing your every move. Personally, I don't care if it tells Beijing, I'm not likely to be there anytime soon. I don't believe it does tell Beijing, btw. But I would be rid of the persistent logging of every minute detail. If I break wind, google wants to know so it can advertise all appropriate medications :-/.

must admit that, while I have another brand of phone in mind as my next (who offer dual-boot Linux) I think along similar lines. I distrust my own and the US government more than I worry about Beijing even noticing me.
Well, Android may be Google owned but if you have the source and are willing to go to the effort no reason why you could not "roll your own" non spy version.

syg00 07-04-2019 06:05 PM

The Nexus 5 (which I still use as a second phone running Lineage) was a Google phone made by Huawei .... :eek:
The damn thing probably got confused sending all my data all over the globe .... :D

business_kid 07-05-2019 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 273
Well, Android may be Google owned but if you have the source and are willing to go to the effort no reason why you could not "roll your own" non spy version.

I can think of two good reasons: Lack of programming expertise and inertia. The fact that one hand disqualifies me from the Home_Volume_Power button press to reprogram the thing. It's theoretically possible but I haven't managed it.

Besides, I like Android's software suite, and if I break compatibility with that, things like WhatsApp goes.

273 07-05-2019 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6012125)
I can think of two good reasons: Lack of programming expertise and inertia. The fact that one hand disqualifies me from the Home_Volume_Power button press to reprogram the thing. It's theoretically possible but I haven't managed it.

Besides, I like Android's software suite, and if I break compatibility with that, things like WhatsApp goes.

my apologies, perhaps I ought to have used "one" rather than "you" or, indeed I should have used "they".
I see no reason why rebuffed manufacturers in countries which excel in tech could not produce a version of Android not made for the purpose of making Google shareholders rich and giving US(etc,) governments a way in to anything they want.

business_kid 07-06-2019 05:30 AM

So I'll await next year's Huawei offerings with interest. My S7 Edge will still fetch money, Huawei will probably be realistically priced, and Beijing will hardly be as intrusive as Google:rolleyes:

onebuck 07-06-2019 08:24 AM

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business_kid 07-07-2019 03:30 AM

Thanks. I forget where I posted it. Anyhow, moving it seemed to kill it off :-P. Folks had probably added what they wanted to anyhow.

ntubski 07-07-2019 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6012466)
Beijing will hardly be as intrusive as Google:rolleyes:

Sure, as long as you don't say anything about Tibet, Tiananmen Square, Hong Kong, etc, Beijing won't care about you. I heard from a friend, who visited as a tourist, that you get an immediate notification on your phone when you jaywalk, thanks to the ubiquitous cameras. So if you think Google is intrusive, make sure never to visit China.

business_kid 07-07-2019 11:31 AM

Don't worry, I won't be visiting. I have a son who spent a few weeks in Northern China. He was visiting his friend who has been 10 years helping in a seriously banned religion there. As foreigners, they'd just be thrown out if caught, but the locals are looking at lengthy jail terms. We're pretty re-education proof, so I'm sure they have tried that & given up. It's one of the places we get no news about. We don't even officially acknowledge we have any presence there. But there is a list of 45 countries where our work is banned & reports are incomplete. China is in there.

rokytnji 07-07-2019 02:53 PM

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Beijing has criticized U.S. government actions against Huawei as politically motivated.
But since China Military and Intelligence funds those phones. Plus Military intelligence is part of the employee base.

I guess you get the surveillance you pay for. Instead of the free surveillance already offered by everyone else.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoff.../#4cd57df87208

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoff.../#3d0b13544b24

Thanks, but no thanks. Funny though. Everything is made in China when it comes to phones. Go figure. Probably more going on than I know of. So I may just spouting from a keyboard. Ignorant like.

ntubski 07-07-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6012833)
As foreigners, they'd just be thrown out if caught

Unless China is unhappy with the country they're from, e.g., https://www.crisisgroup.org/who-we-a...michael-kovrig

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Chinese security officers detained Michael Kovrig, our North East Asia Advisor, on 10 December in Beijing.
[...]
A former Canadian diplomat who works full-time for us, Michael has not been allowed to see a lawyer or anyone in his family. He only has periodic consular visits. We are deeply concerned for his health and well-being in detention.

Michael has not been charged with any offense. We do not understand the unspecified allegations that he has “endangered Chinese security”.

273 07-08-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ntubski (Post 6012777)
Sure, as long as you don't say anything about Tibet, Tiananmen Square, Hong Kong, etc, Beijing won't care about you. I heard from a friend, who visited as a tourist, that you get an immediate notification on your phone when you jaywalk, thanks to the ubiquitous cameras. So if you think Google is intrusive, make sure never to visit China.

while it's possible I doubt they'd bother trying to extradite you for anything though. The US, however...


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