MS and HTML Woes.

DeusExLinux · 06-23-2005, 01:08 PM

This is a vent, but I finally realize what it means when people say how bloated the code Frontpage produces.... I have to fix someone's website, and holy cow!!!! There are extra tags everywhere... useless things here and there..

I guess it just makes me love GNU/Linux, and Quanta that much more...

Kudos to the Linux world for making me love you.. Yes, I do mean all of you out there!

azucaro · 06-23-2005, 01:25 PM

Have you ran html tidy on the source code?

http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/

It may save you some time. I have no experience with the program as I haven't had the need (Linux and Quanta all the way!), but in theory it could help you a lot.

DeusExLinux · 06-25-2005, 11:45 PM

I'll have to check that out.
Basically what the stupid thing did was set the font for the page in the <body> tag, then go through, reset the font of everyline using the tag, then, before any text was typed, it used the tag to reset the font and color!!!!

it's driving me crazy.

jtshaw · 06-26-2005, 09:21 AM

Moved: General... has little to do with linux.

azucaro · 06-28-2005, 08:12 AM

Be careful about the tag...it is deprecated. It may work today, but not tomorrow!

DeusExLinux · 06-28-2005, 10:10 AM

I did not know that.
What would you suggest using? Just a ?

oneandoneis2 · 06-28-2005, 10:33 AM

I remember taking over running a club website from somebody who'd used Frontpage.

It only had a dozen pages from the point of view of the end user, but it had created HUNDREDS of files to generate those simply pages.

In the end, I wiped the entire thing and created the new page from scratch. It was less effort. Frontpage is an abomination.

Mr. New · 06-28-2005, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oneandoneis2
I remember taking over running a club website from somebody who'd used Frontpage.

It only had a dozen pages from the point of view of the end user, but it had created HUNDREDS of files to generate those simply pages.

In the end, I wiped the entire thing and created the new page from scratch. It was less effort. Frontpage is an abomination.

What I'm wondering, is how can you have hundreds of files and it all only makes 12 pages?
were there like 10 stylesheets to every file?

back when I used windows, notepad was what you made websites with, but now i use vim

quanta just isn't cross platform compared to vim, plus vim or vi is installed on every unix computer.

oneandoneis2 · 06-29-2005, 02:47 AM

I have no idea. I took a brief look through the dozens of subfolders and hundreds of files, and just said "Sod it!" and wiped the lot.

Small world, I use text editors for HTML too. In fact, maybe you can tell me: How do you do a find & replace on a closing tag in vim?

It gets very confused by something like :%s///g

Crashed_Again · 06-29-2005, 05:45 AM

Whats worse is Internet Explorer's blaintant disgregard for w3c standards. Don't get me started.

azucaro · 06-29-2005, 11:46 AM

DeusEx:
Here is a link showing what is to be deprecated or already is: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html

The font tag was deprecated in HTML 4.01, and will not work with XHTML strict, among others. Instead you are supposed to use CSS. Quick synopsis of CSS as it applies to fonts: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp#font.

The above link deals with embedding font styles, but can also be used with inline CSS (it is essentially the same). You'd just surround your text with DIV or SPAN tags and add a style="font-family:Arial...etc" in there.

Cheers!

DeusExLinux · 06-29-2005, 01:37 PM

sweet.. I started using CSS the other day, and fell in love with the <style=foo> stuff.

thanks for the info.