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Old 01-10-2021, 12:53 PM   #31
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Nobody is saying that there should be no limits to free speech. But limiting free speech is a dangerous path to go down, so the UN restricts it to "limitations determined by law" as well as requiring an approved motive such as protecting the rights and freedoms of others. . . . That is a very different matter from a company that controls most of the infrastructure of the internet deciding by itself that a certain platform will not be hosted.

Agreed.


If a citizen of the US, do not allow it to become " , . . a nation of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations!" One may do this by respecting the US Constitution in all things, especially including the rights guaranteed each individual contained therein.
Without this respect for individual rights, it alarms me what such will most likely entail.



The UN is not saying anything different, really, IMO.



Yeah, put this in General, please.

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Old 01-10-2021, 01:24 PM   #32
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Aha, so politic subversion in social networks was ok while subjects took place in Middle East, China etc and then it happened in the USA, a severe backlash imho
 
Old 01-10-2021, 01:25 PM   #33
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Is Mozilla still a pure tech company, should one bother?

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/0...-deplatforming

I know it's a tough one but I could imagine exploring alternative (multiple?) browsers being bundled with Slackware in the future like one of Firefox forks, Vivaldi, Chromium...
To what end? More importantly: WHY?

What would that accomplish exactly?

I fail to see any correlation between that blog post you linked to and any justification for the cause you're trying to elude to as being worthwhile.

Firefox works and it can compete well with other browsers. Prey tell what exactly entails for a tech company to be "pure"? Not making controversial statements regarding politics?

Give me a break.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 01:27 PM   #34
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The idea of increasing transparency by exposing or making it possible for users and consumers to learn who pays for the ads pushed to them by social media platforms and other content providers resonated with me, at least in principle. I favor openness and transparency. Though since I do not use social media and tend to block ads everywhere I can, I couldn't think of any cases where I'd have found it personally useful.

I think that social media companies, publishers, and content providers have a right to edit and curate the content that they publish or serve (republish or distribute). Whether they have a social responsibility to do so I think is debatable. That government must refrain from dictating how the companies curate and edit the content they present is certain, and necessary to avoid the prospect of state-sponsored censorship.

Nevertheless, I find it disquieting that a social media platform would use algorithms or adopt policies that purport to "amplify factual voices" (see link in blog post) in such a way that only "establishment" voices are promoted, and that impacted speakers are summarily silenced with no recourse to dispute the suppression of their views, and that as a result of the near monopoly status of these giant media outlets, impacted speakers have virtually no outlet through which to exercise their own freedom of expression.

It is the effective monopolizing of the avenues of free expression that concerns me more than the specific editing and curating policies implemented by the publishers and content providers.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 01:38 PM   #35
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I think that social media companies, publishers, and content providers have a right to edit and curate the content that they publish or serve (republish or distribute).
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Social media companies like Facebook have always claimed that they are "platforms", not publishers. In other words, they disclaim any responsibility for what is said on them, just as a telephone company is not responsible for what is said by one person to another during a call. But if they edit and curate their content, they are no longer neutral platforms, they are more like newspapers and should be subject to national laws on the same basis. They are trying to have it both ways and that does not work.
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Nevertheless, I find it disquieting that a social media platform would use algorithms or adopt policies that purport to "amplify factual voices" (see link in blog post) in such a way that only "establishment" voices are promoted, and that impacted speakers are summarily silenced with no recourse to dispute the suppression of their views, and that as a result of the near monopoly status of these giant media outlets, impacted speakers have virtually no outlet through which to exercise their own freedom of expression.
Exactly!
 
Old 01-10-2021, 01:40 PM   #36
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Glad I didn't get deplatformed yet...

The blog post I referred to is not explicit about deplaforming anyone, but there are statements with lots of negative vibes and implicit references that just keep increasing the tension.

All I'm saying these companies should focus on tech and leave out politics (like vast majority of other projects), and Slackware could potentially consider offering an alternative browser for those to which these issues matter.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 02:01 PM   #37
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Glad I didn't get deplatformed yet...

The blog post I referred to is not explicit about deplaforming anyone, but there are statements with lots of negative vibes and implicit references that just keep increasing the tension.

All I'm saying these companies should focus on tech and leave out politics (like vast majority of other projects), and Slackware could potentially consider offering an alternative browser for those to which these issues matter.
We have two:
"Falkon (formerly QupZilla[4]) is a free and open-source web browser. It is built on the Qt WebEngine[5][6] which is a wrapper for the Chromium browser core.[7]"
https://www.falkon.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkon
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/

We have a browser built off of the original mozilla gecko code and a chromium based browser. We also have links!
 
Old 01-10-2021, 02:11 PM   #38
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There are plenty of alternative web-browsers out there, it requires some simple search terms to find them.

If you are so dedicated to politics, why don't you join a party or maybe create one and take it there, do something about it if you wanna change the political atmosphere. What the hell has this to do with Slackware though?
 
Old 01-10-2021, 02:17 PM   #39
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It's as simple as reading their Terms of Service.
Once they become so big, it's not that simple.

I actually like the ideas expressed in that blog post, but it's a double-edged sword and everything should be planned very carefully.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 02:30 PM   #40
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We have two:
"Falkon (formerly QupZilla[4]) is a free and open-source web browser. It is built on the Qt WebEngine[5][6] which is a wrapper for the Chromium browser core.[7]"
https://www.falkon.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkon
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/

We have a browser built off of the original mozilla gecko code and a chromium based browser. We also have links!
Yeah. probably many Slackware gracious ignores the Falkon, but it is something like a Chromium with Qt5 interface and it is well integrated on Plasma5.

Falkon is one of my favorite browsers.

BTW, it have even a native AdBlock plugin.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 02:49 PM   #41
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We have two:
"Falkon (formerly QupZilla[4]) is a free and open-source web browser. It is built on the Qt WebEngine[5][6] which is a wrapper for the Chromium browser core.[7]"
Thanks, I missed Falkon recently being added to the tree, good addition. Not a fan of SeaMonkey but no problem with that.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 03:04 PM   #42
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Boy oh boy, I am so happy that Mozilla and other big tech companies have taken it upon themselves to be my parents, and shelter me from differing opinions..... said no one ever. I find it hilarious that the irony is lost also on these tech companies, that when something is censored, it tends to you know - bring a certain effect , what was it again? Oh yes, the Streissand Effect? Also usually the best disinfectant is sunlight.

Anyway, that is my political rant - but here is my on Mozilla itself - I have stopped using Firefox years ago, it is just gotten worse not better over time - at least for me anyways. As of right now, I am now on Brave and rather liking it. Sure it is still a memory hog, but better than Firefox still.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMXrfmRSprM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9xK44imGVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SicsQervb4

Last edited by Jeebizz; 01-10-2021 at 03:42 PM.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 04:19 PM   #43
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Yeah. probably many Slackware gracious ignores the Falkon, but it is something like a Chromium with Qt5 interface and it is well integrated on Plasma5.

Falkon is one of my favorite browsers.

BTW, it have even a native AdBlock plugin.
I didn't know about the AdBlock plugin!
 
Old 01-10-2021, 04:40 PM   #44
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And if you are going to install a Qt5-Webengine browser like Falkon and use it, it's only a few more MB to get PyQt5 installed. And that is really useful with python.

In fact, webengine and PyQt5 will take care of pdf, web scraping, audio playing, image viewers,..really useful. The GUI's that you make with it will fit in with your Qt desktop.
 
Old 01-10-2021, 05:17 PM   #45
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Has any one tried the *suckless* "surf" browser?
 
  


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