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Old 11-19-2020, 05:07 AM   #31
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What is happening in Ghana seems to be the case elsewhere in equatorial Africa. But in South Africa, covid is just as active as in South America or Europe. I wonder why? My guess is something climatic; they have a mediterranean climate there.
 
Old 11-19-2020, 06:19 AM   #32
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Could be hazel, but if their is any investigation going on its not widely publicized unless its me not looking?
 
Old 11-19-2020, 09:03 AM   #33
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Could be hazel, but if their is any investigation going on its not widely publicized unless its me not looking?
It sounds like you're not looking, I just typed "africa covid" into a search engine and found a bunch articles.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...-revealed.html

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Africa's unusually low COVID-19 cases and deaths could be down to a young and sparse population, and the hot and humid climate interrelating to heighten their individual effects, research from the World Health Organization has revealed.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...uses-who-says/

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The most widely accepted factor is Africa’s youthful population.
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Death rates have been higher in Algeria and South Africa where a larger percentage of the population is over the age of 65, Dr. Moeti said.
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Another factor could be Africa’s lower population density and the fact that many people live in rural areas, spending more time outdoors, analysts say. There is growing evidence that outdoor spaces, because of their greater ventilation, tend to reduce exposure to the virus, making it less dangerous.
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A third factor was the imposition of early strict lockdowns in many African countries, at a time when case numbers were relatively small. This postponed the worst of the pandemic, allowing hospitals and health workers to be better prepared with the latest treatment methods.
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A fourth factor, she said, was Africa’s relatively poor road network and access to international flights, which slowed the arrival of the virus and its transmission to rural areas.
But this article does claim that the media hasn't been publicizing Africa's success at handling covid:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-be-surprised/

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In recent weeks, headline writers seem to be doing their hardest to try to reconcile Western stereotypes about Africa with the reality of the low death rates on the continent. The BBC came under fire for a since-changed headline and a tweet that read “Coronavirus in Africa: Could poverty explain mystery of low death rate?” The New York Post published an article with the headline, “Scientists can’t explain puzzling lack of coronavirus outbreaks in Africa.”

It’s almost as if they are disappointed that Africans aren’t dying en masse and countries are not collapsing.
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the media has largely ignored the policy successes out of Africa. In doing so, Western media is reinforcing colonial narratives of Black inferiority and the inability of Black nations to govern themselves at all, much less govern better than resource-rich White nations.
The BBC article mentioned is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53998374
It has a note at the end
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Update: The headline and article have been amended to better reflect what the scientists said. It was not our intention to cause offence.
 
Old 11-19-2020, 09:48 AM   #34
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Well i have an open mind but to be honest no i'm not looking that hard. I try to avoid social media where the level of truth is suspect ;where UK MP's post rubbish and never respond. One of the comments from my local MP who's part remit is dealing with Ghana, on social media implicitly implied that Ghana had a problem . I'm old school so i class that as verging on being a snake Oil Seller.So there is disinformation going on.

I realize that there is a business and civil servants justifying their jobs when they announce funding to offset affects of Covid where in Ghana they are doing quite nicely thank you whilst UK its a different matter.


I don't need to search DDG i've been to Ghana since 2005 For a start in Accra market "makola" you can hardly move.In large areas of Accra people are crammed in usually several people to a dwelling.The population density is high.

The bulk of people in Ghana live day to day, they can not afford to stop their petty trading and generally they don't stop trading.

People don't just fly into Africa for instance nomad cattle owners tend to move all over the place and across borders.The arterial route Accra to kumasi is well used.



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It’s almost as if they are disappointed that Africans aren’t dying en masse and countries are not collapsing.
yes my wife had a laugh at that ,shes an Asante from Kumasi


i did find this , but i must first tell you that i once walked into the Ministry of INforation, Accra and asked where the British Consulate was - they said "we don't know" .
https://ghanahealthservice.org/covid19/

Last edited by captain_sensible; 11-19-2020 at 03:14 PM. Reason: added info
 
Old 11-20-2020, 06:23 PM   #35
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One of my colleagues has part of his family living in Egypt. As you might not know, Egypt does a lot of trading with China. Now in Egypt COVID-19 seemed to surge in May but there was a particularly bad flu going around in the beginning of the year and no-one really knows what that was (...).

I am quite convinced that there are similar things going on in other parts of Africa. Surely if you factor in the fact that the real magnitude of COVID-19 is not known to anyone even in a very controlled, rich first world country as my own.

Even stark differences can be an effect of selection bias:
  1. If you take the statistical death rate data of Africa, they are very different to those of my country where the number one cause of death in Africa (lower resp tract infection) is in 7th place over here.
  2. The population demographics are quite different, this will always make for a difficult comparison. Statistical correction is only of limited value.
  3. In a population that has a higher burden of death due to infectious disease, the older population might be more resilient because the weaker individuals are already gone.
  4. In a country with limited resources, PCR testing will always be limited, if available at all.
Surely with some "data-dredging" and some more "fishing in the pond" you might get some data that support one or the other theory. However the population structure, disease management and other circumstances are different. That makes every comparison difficult.
 
Old 11-21-2020, 08:20 AM   #36
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If you take the statistical death rate data of Africa, they are very different to those of my country

The average statistics from 1.3 billion people spanning an entire 30,370,000 km˛ continent of ~54 countries are very different to those of one small densely packed country in northern Europe?

Are you sure...?

 
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Are you sure...?

Ahem you are right of course.
 
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On a different aspect of the Topic, I Wondered in October if there was going to be a 'cull' of Republican voters or attendees of Trump's maskless and crowded Election Rallies. Now I don't have access to detailed statistics vis-a-vis Republican vs Democratic states, and can't make any analysis, but the number of cases in the Excited States is alarming. Only a small majority can flip a State either way, anyhow.

Now that we have all the safety precautions down, this thing is beginning to look like a plague on idiocy.
 
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Here in the US, there seems to be a massive number of "covidiots" that continue to refuse to practice any sort of common sense about the virus. They are utterly ignoring CDC guidance and not wearing masks. 1 million people traveled last Friday on flights, despite the CDC recommending they stay home for the holidays. Large crowds gather for various protests due to the election fiasco going on here and few wear masks.

I find it appalling there are so many people with so little common sense. I want to say darwinism will. take care of them but sadly their inappropriate and dangerous behavior negatively affects other people.
 
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Seen reports of people in the hospital for Covid, yelling at their care providers, that there is no such thing as Covid.

https://www.newsweek.com/south-dakot...-viral-1547727

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Seen reports of people in the hospital for Covid, yelling at their care providers, that there is no such thing as Covid.

https://www.newsweek.com/south-dakot...-viral-1547727

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Me as well - absolute insanity. These poor frontline workers are being pushed to the brink and they still do their jobs despite the madness. Thanks goodness for them.
 
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Seen reports of people in the hospital for Covid, yelling at their care providers, that there is no such thing as Covid.
We have had people attacking COVID-19 test sites, stating that the coronavirus does not exist. This makes no sense at all because:
  1. the coronavirus is making people very ill and killing people as well
  2. there are a lot of other things that do not exist, in fact, there are a nearly infinite number of things that do not exist
  3. if someething does not exist, why should one care
I guess these are people that have lost a lot during this crisis and don't know how to cope with it. I don't understand them but I can feel sorry for them.
 
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Crazy people in a crazy time. For example:

Wait time at In-N-Out grand opening in Aurora hits staggering 14 hours

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/11/2...rora-14-hours/

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On a different aspect of the Topic, I Wondered in October if there was going to be a 'cull' of Republican voters or attendees of Trump's maskless and crowded Election Rallies. Now I don't have access to detailed statistics vis-a-vis Republican vs Democratic states, and can't make any analysis, but the number of cases in the Excited States is alarming. Only a small majority can flip a State either way, anyhow.

Now that we have all the safety precautions down, this thing is beginning to look like a plague on idiocy.
I am sure this is happening.
Hard to get reliable statistics, but there's been a few news items of "ever more members of White House staff" catching it - always "asymptomatic" of course. Yeah, I wouldn't admit being sick either if I was a Trumpist.
Of course, we don't know how biased the media are in this, but to me it's just a question of common sense.
Darwin Awards come to mind.

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Wow:
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These people really think this isn't going to happen to them. And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. It's like a f***ing horror movie that never ends. There's no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.
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Wait time at In-N-Out grand opening in Aurora hits staggering 14 hours
Almost enough time to grow a cow and some wheat and make your own burgers... this is why we love US Americans!
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That said, there's plenty of Covidiots in Europe, too.
They make loud noises but amount to only a small percentage of the population.
If anything, populism seems to be deflating atm, but there's still a few who claim that the government wants to abolish democracy.
Just more social media algorithm victims.
Funny: a woman on a demonstration: "I am 22 years old, just like Sophie Scholl was when the Nazis murdered her", thus likening the governments Corona measures to a dictatorship, and her protest to Nazi resistance. At which point a person came to the stage to return their security vest, saying "I'm not providing security for this BS".
(It was said the latter part of the scene was staged - the person was not a security guard at all. But the painfully cringeworthy speech was real.)
 
  


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