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Old 04-28-2018, 08:58 PM   #16
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You say that now, but in 10 years after your subconscious has been beaten to a pulp by designed brain reprogramming and the cult of popular influence you will not only like but demand these devices. [sarcasm and truth]

https://www.johnrampton.com/social-media-mind-control/
I disagree with the idea that here such a thing as a subconscious mind
NO
the fact is the human mind is conscious so infrequently it looks like there is a subconscious mind in there

back on toipc

this is truly a case of
beware of Geeks bearing gifts

I can see that linux users are still sore from the raw treatment from M$
NO DOUBT we can expect more of the same from them
 
Old 04-28-2018, 09:18 PM   #17
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"In the next decade, nearly every consumer gadget, every household appliance, and every industrial device will be connected to the Internet."

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/bl...elligent-edge/

That may be true and not very secure at the same time.
I can see it now you get out of bed go to make some coffee the coffee pot informs you it will be spending the next ???? updating it's O/S
so you go to heat some water on the stove to use your french press and the stove gives you the same reply the coffee pot did

same for the microwave

3 hours later you are informed that the network crashed and you will have to tack all of your appliances in to a repair shop

or
your informed to get every thing working you will have to PAY for the latest O/S for each appliance
 
Old 04-30-2018, 12:21 PM   #18
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"Subconscious" is both an old and a "new age" term. "Unconscious" is probably the more correct term.

I'm no expert, but it's accepted that that the brain "automates" some tasks and though it's all theoretical, the brain could also automate certain thought processes. i.e. when we encounter a particular situation, the brain "fills in the gaps" as it were.

We all like to believe that we're 100% switched on, impartial and free thinking individuals, whereas in fact most of us harbour prejudices and jump to conclusions - all of this is a result of "programming", either from early life or from certain experiences or education. Our prejudices are in fact a built in "defence mechanism".

"psy ops" techniques exploit this to manipulate public opinion. Attention grabbing headlines, activate prejudices and encourage "reading between the lines". The very act of doing that, leads the reader/viewer to conclude they have have drawn their own conclusions.
 
Old 04-30-2018, 04:49 PM   #19
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I'm not paranoid. I'm just not a big fan of smart home automation.

I mean, I don't need an Alexa device to turn on my lights, tell me the weather and etc. I can do this myself.

http://www.funnysigns.net/files/weather-stone.jpg

or with video....cheers
http://www.theweatherstone.co.uk/
 
Old 04-30-2018, 04:52 PM   #20
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I disagree with the idea that here such a thing as a subconscious mind
NO
the fact is the human mind is conscious so infrequently it looks like there is a subconscious mind in there
very interesting idea...
 
Old 04-30-2018, 07:13 PM   #21
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I disagree with the idea that here such a thing as a subconscious mind
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the fact is the human mind is conscious so infrequently it looks like there is a subconscious mind in there
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very interesting idea...
While I agree with the not quoted part about MS as "greeks bearing gifts" in regards to Linux I find the idea that there is no subconscious at the very least curious if not ridiculous. If there was no subconscious there would be no such thing as an autonomic system (one would have to consciously cause respiration and heartbeat just to name a few) nor so-called instinct and muscle memory and training would be non-productive and useless. There wouldn't even be a concept of "just like riding a bicycle" or "falling in love".

What is extremely interesting is we can barely define consciousness, yet we know each morning upon awaking we are already in place even though by age 7-10 none of the original cells that make us up is still alive and functioning.

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Old 04-30-2018, 07:38 PM   #22
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I find the idea that there is no subconscious at the very least curious if not ridiculous.
This looks like one of those cases where a seemingly fundamental disagreement is really due to a different understanding of labels (in this case "mind" and/or "subconscious").
 
Old 05-01-2018, 03:56 AM   #23
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This looks like one of those cases where a seemingly fundamental disagreement is really due to a different understanding of labels (in this case "mind" and/or "subconscious").
Possibly so but when all we have is text delayed from real time conversation what can we do but consult a Dictionary?

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Originally Posted by dictionary.com - definition of "subconscious"

adjective

1. existing or operating in the mind beneath or beyond consciousness:
the subconscious self.

Compare preconscious, unconscious.
2. imperfectly or not wholly conscious :
subconscious motivations.

noun

3. the totality of mental processes of which the individual is not aware; unreportable mental activities.
 
Old 05-01-2018, 04:12 AM   #24
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While I agree with the not quoted part about MS as "greeks bearing gifts" in regards to Linux I find the idea that there is no subconscious at the very least curious if not ridiculous. If there was no subconscious there would be no such thing as an autonomic system (one would have to consciously cause respiration and heartbeat just to name a few) nor so-called instinct and muscle memory and training would be non-productive and useless. There wouldn't even be a concept of "just like riding a bicycle" or "falling in love".

What is extremely interesting is we can barely define consciousness, yet we know each morning upon awaking we are already in place even though by age 7-10 none of the original cells that make us up is still alive and functioning.
I'm glad you participate here enorbet! Thanks for your knowledge and participation here!

Absolutely agree with you!
 
Old 05-01-2018, 11:44 AM   #25
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Thank you, jsbjsb001. I consider that a very high compliment and it is much appreciated while at the same time keeps me on my toes.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 03:39 AM   #26
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Your welcome enorbet!

Sorry I took a little while to reply, I got distracted by the technical forums...
 
  


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