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Old 09-09-2016, 10:48 PM   #31
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No, he was calling for Microsoft to be punished for benefiting from their support work instead of doing it for free. Yes that's a limit to economic freedom.

I'm actually rather surprised that both of you read it differently.

BTW, post #20 starts with "oh orbea, why did u hafta show me this thread? :P" but the first orbea post I see is #26. What's going on, you two?
I reread the op again, its honestly a bit vague and open to interpretation. Could imply either using different technology and/or punishing microsoft as you said. Its a rather silly post either way... I still don't think it would really imply communism, though maybe with more clarification it really does? Seems more to be either an attempt at free software advocacy or more fascist stance of using government power to control corporations that the op finds disagreeable. Though I honestly don't really want to continue with a political discussion so I will mostly if not entirely bow out of that aspect of the discussion now.

I showed Siljrath this thread in an irc channel because I found the op amusing.
 
Old 09-09-2016, 10:54 PM   #32
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Exactly.

(rest of your trying-to-sound-smart word salad snipped)
oh, just saw that addition. i was willing to let that slide when it was just you truncating the rest so that it read like a piece of confirmation bias to reaffirm your ignorance, but now that you've made it a more personal attack, i'll bite. XD

~~~ was gonna take your words n rearrange n edit them in a similar manner, but then thought better of it.

better to stay on topic. tackle the substance, not the speaker.

[edit - so shame on me too for joining in flinging poo with this post]
 
Old 09-11-2016, 12:48 PM   #33
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Ahh, thanks for stirring up the sediment siljrath!
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maybe i should have googled it more.
tho... as i do...
https://www.startpage.com/do/search?...ft&lui=english
https://www.startpage.com/do/search?...nt&lui=english
etc
and skim through...
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Originally Posted by theverge (i know, not exactly the best source, but then what is)
"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."
and, my favorite:
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Originally Posted by mirror.co.uk
Donald Trump could bring about the 'end of civilisation' if he becomes President and has access to America's nuclear weapons, his ghost writer has said. Tony Schwartz was behind Trump's 1987 memoir The Art of the Deal which was a massive hit, spending 48 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. But he says he now regrets playing a role in the meteoric rise of the billionaire businessman. “I put lipstick on a pig,” he said.

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Old 12-24-2016, 09:47 PM   #34
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Speaking of Navies running Windows XP:

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The Royal Navy’s decision to save money by using Windows for Submarines, a version of Windows XP, as the operating system for its ballistic-missile subs seems especially shortsighted. Windows XP was discontinued six years ago, and Microsoft warned that any computer running it after April, 2014, “should not be considered protected as there will be no security updates.” Each of the U.K. subs has eight missiles carrying a total of forty nuclear weapons. “It is shocking to think that my home computer is probably running a newer version of Windows than the U.K.’s military submarines,”
The New Yorker - WORLD WAR THREE, BY MISTAKE

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Old 12-25-2016, 05:54 AM   #35
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That is not shocking at all.
I would feel less secure if they tried to keep up to date with their operating systems and ran an insecure later OS.

It has taken years of bug hunting to relatively clean XP and it is NOT a home environment where they are accessing the net willy nilly. These are tightly controlled environments that are being talked about.
I would like to be that the majority of semi and automatic systems around are running XP. You only have to look at devices with chips in them and you will likely see that they use XP based systems.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 06:49 AM   #36
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Fuc free software we want free nukes, obviously!
 
Old 12-25-2016, 08:54 AM   #37
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There are also thousands of hospitals and pieces of medical equipment which continue to ... quite successfully ... use XP. They have obtained government certifications that are required, using XP, and it would be extremely expensive to switch versions ... especially when it can be shown that the software in-place continues to work just fine.

Even though Microsoft, and IBM, have discontinued selling certain operating systems and versions thereof, they still continue to do so (for a price), and are likely to continue doing so forever.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 10:26 AM   #38
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XP runs a lot of hospital equipment, too. It is still (koff, koff ...) a damned good system.
Darn right! It occupies half of my hard drive. The other half is slackware which I hope to become just as familiar with.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 10:33 AM   #39
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I just hope in a real war, our weapons don't freeze because of BSOD.
No chance of that. The whole system is being run by a Timex-Sinclair 1000 located in a broom closet in the Pentagon.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 11:16 AM   #40
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Darn right! It occupies half of my hard drive. The other half is slackware which I hope to become just as familiar with.
I approve of this New Year's resolution!

What I came to post was: the original Windows for Submarines announcement has been found.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 11:19 AM   #41
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Ballistic System of Overall Destruction??
Them freezing sounds a hell of a lot better than the war does!
 
Old 12-26-2016, 05:17 AM   #42
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But, but... OS/2 DOESN'T CRASH! That's what the marketing said...
Just an FYI, IBM stopped supporting OS/2 over 10 year ago. Some updates occurred when it wa bought out by eComStation but that hasn't been updated, even security fixes in many years. FWIW even version 2.1 (IBM quit it after 4.1) I ran on a small business system of roughly 200 workstations for over 2 years w.o one unscheduled reboot. and ZERO crashes.

One of the reasons for the split between IBM and MS was that MS wanted to give some apps direct access to hardware (thus the BSOD was born when MS morphed MS OS/2 into MS Win NT)nd that meant downtime for the sake of the appearance of speed and since OS/2 was truly for Mission Critical applications, that was an untenable compromise.
 
Old 12-26-2016, 05:21 AM   #43
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Hmmmm I was under the impression that XP never got the necessary Govt. Certs for military work. I lived in Virginia Beach when the first BT powered battleship limped back to port when the OpSys completely crashed and went crazy. Some thought it was due to the rush job that MS did to achieve certified security status for NT. Why would a Home system with no real server version and no certs be used by the military?
 
Old 12-26-2016, 11:19 AM   #44
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Why would a Home system with no real server version and no certs be used by the military?
Why does the government do a lot of the stuff the government does? Remember, if it is being done right it is not being done by the government.
 
Old 12-26-2016, 01:03 PM   #45
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XP Pro is NOT XP Home! There is a HUGE difference.
 
  


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