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Old 04-15-2019, 02:01 PM   #1
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Microsoft may <3 Linux but they're still lobbying against user rights / open source


https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ight-to-repair

I don't really think they're ever on the side of the user. They're on the side they're always on. P.S. Mr. Torvalds, is it still "a disease" to hate this sort of behaviour?

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According to MSPowerUser, Jeff Morris, a Democrat member of the House of Representatives, has been using its influence to block a bill which, on the face of it, has support across the house and a whopping 87 per cent support amongst US citizens.

He claims that, according to his sources, Microsoft had offered to support a tax which would be used to fund STEM education, but only if the Right To Repair bill was quietly dropped. A second stipulation surrounding privacy policies was also on the table.

"Microsoft was going around telling our members that they wouldn't sell Surface Tablets in Washington any longer if we passed the bill," he claimed during an interview on repair specialist iFixit's radio show.
 
Old 04-15-2019, 02:15 PM   #2
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I expect Bill Belichick would think that was a good idea if they didn't limit it to Wahsington D.C.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyhjUFcXgo0
 
Old 04-15-2019, 02:52 PM   #3
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https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ight-to-repair

I don't really think they're ever on the side of the user. They're on the side they're always on. P.S. Mr. Torvalds, is it still "a disease" to hate this sort of behaviour?
Sounds about right. The states need to pass a law banning lobbyists from politics. Notice I said the states, because the federal government would never pass such a bill.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conven...s_Constitution
 
Old 04-15-2019, 02:58 PM   #4
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Notice I said the states
Oh, I'm all about Article V. With the amendment to end the lobbyists' subjugation of democracy being the best reason to use it.

Voting is broken until that gets done, and the government is broken until voting gets mended.
 
Old 04-16-2019, 04:22 AM   #5
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He claims that, according to his sources, Microsoft had offered to support a tax which would be used to fund STEM education, but only if the Right To Repair bill was quietly dropped. A second stipulation surrounding privacy policies was also on the table.
Sounds good to me. That's what I'd call a win-win deal.
 
Old 04-16-2019, 05:36 AM   #6
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Sounds good to me. That's what I'd call a win-win deal.
Oh, it's win-win alright.

Microsoft wins against customer rights, and then they win again in their ongoing efforts to takeover the educational system and make it (even further) into a government-subsidised advertising and training programme for their software. It's only "lose-lose" for everybody else.

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Old 04-16-2019, 06:59 AM   #7
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M$ has been doing this type of thing for years: Gates would say "we'll give you (small country) free PCs but they have to run windows xx".
 
Old 04-16-2019, 11:54 AM   #8
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M$ has been doing this type of thing for years
For ages, but they're doing it while the Linux Foundation and Canonical (and others) are cozying up to themands Linus is calling it a disease to dislike them. (He uses the wprd "hate" as it's more emotionally charged.)

They don't change, only the marketing changes.

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Old 04-16-2019, 11:54 AM   #9
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Sounds good to me. That's what I'd call a win-win deal.
Oh, it's win-win alright.

Microsoft wins against customer rights, and then they win again in their ongoing efforts to takeover the educational system and make it (even further) into a government-subsidised advertising and training programme for their software. It's only "lose-lose" for everybody else.
It's precisely in these cases where I think the State should get involved to avoid that alternatives like Linux and the smaller businesses linked to it get impacted by the predatory practices of big monopolies like MS.

TODO list:
Buy a computer cleaning kit (this is just a joke, of course).
Get information/advise on physics and electromagnetism.
Be kind to the doer. They became a doer for a reason (long before).

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Old 04-16-2019, 11:59 AM   #10
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It's precisely in these cases where I think the State should get involved
The State is already involved!

Microsoft figured out around a little before the 2000 election (which they spent heavily on to help get Bush Jr. in, buying their way out of DOJ troubles) that some of their enormous wealth could be used on lobbying.

This is a problem where Microsoft is using their financial clout to steer policy.

Note the word "policy"-- as in the state. The problem is the state is accepting their money, and only doing what is good for Microsoft. It's bypassing democracy.
 
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The State is already involved!

Microsoft figured out around a little before the 2000 election (which they spent heavily on to help get Bush Jr. in, buying their way out of DOJ troubles) that some of their enormous wealth could be used on lobbying.

This is a problem where Microsoft is using their financial clout to steer policy.

Note the word "policy"-- as in the state. The problem is the state is accepting their money, and only doing what is good for Microsoft. It's bypassing democracy.
I see, then it's just business as usual. Which reminds me of this.

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Old 04-16-2019, 01:14 PM   #12
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Yeah, it's a win that Microsoft now has the contact information and hosting control over a giant percentage of its competitors.

Something no reasonable person ever said.
 
Old 04-16-2019, 01:19 PM   #13
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Yeah, it's a win that Microsoft now has the contact information and hosting control over a giant percentage of its competitors.
They now even have access to the source code in the "private" repositories there.
 
Old 04-16-2019, 03:14 PM   #14
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They now even have access to the source code in the "private" repositories there.
Since basically all my code is in the public domain, I forget those exist, but fair point.

What bothers me though, is that in the past, they were at war with virtually every competitor. They were good at beating them, and the world created one really good weapon to defeat their monopoly.

And open source is using to make "friends" with them.

If Microsoft were a country, a physical nation, with citizens-- I can understand that approach. But being a corporation, whose mandate is to increase profit at all costs, and their playbook is available to the public (as it was leaked in a court case) I have to wonder why the world doesn't understand (or ignores) the fire they're playing with. It's not about giving them a seat at the table-- they want the table, and they want to be in charge of whoever sits there. If you need more proof, they just purchased the table.

Why do people pretend this is a good idea? What do they really think they're going to get out of it?

The more that they do this <3 Linux thing on the surface, the more they lobby against users. It's like when we drop food and radios to Iraqis. We still want control of your oil, this isn't about being neighbourly-- it's about getting more with a gun and a kind word than a gun alone.
 
Old 04-16-2019, 03:45 PM   #15
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Yeah, it's a win that Microsoft now has the contact information and hosting control over a giant percentage of its competitors.

Something no reasonable person ever said.
Well, if for some reason the State authorities knew they had accessed that information illegally and they were using it illegally, they would be in serious problem with the these authorities.

Anyway, it's late in this part of the world, so I'll have a rest.

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