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Old 02-27-2019, 01:25 PM   #61
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I'll actually worry when Linus worries enough to move:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux
Some may remember this bit of history:
https://www.linux.com/news/microsoft...r-linux-cancer
The original news post link has been broken...
 
Old 03-01-2019, 02:36 PM   #62
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Microsoft no longer wants that any more than the RIAA wants to completely annihilate internet music streaming. They've found ways to coexist with and make money off of FOSS. Part of what makes capitalism so powerful is its ability to absorb and co-opt threats to it; FOSS is no exception. Linux will never be a threat to Microsoft's core OS market, but the Linux ecosystem can be used to provide revenue streams for Microsoft.

That said, I think ReactOS should find a new host for their repository quickly.

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Old 03-01-2019, 02:59 PM   #63
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I think almost everyone got the message that FOSS is a goldmine when Steve Jobs adopted/adapted/stole (depending on your POV) and in effect saved some billions of dollars to create OSX. I've forgotten whether that exact figure of an estimate of what it would cost today to develop the Linux or BSD kernels, whether it was 3 Billion or 13 Billion but if you look it up I'm sure you will be astounded and impressed. Apparently Microsoft as well as IBM "got the memo".

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Old 03-11-2019, 01:13 PM   #64
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Microsoft no longer wants that any more than the RIAA wants to completely annihilate internet music streaming. They've found ways to coexist with and make money off of FOSS. Part of what makes capitalism so powerful is its ability to absorb and co-opt threats to it; FOSS is no exception. Linux will never be a threat to Microsoft's core OS market, but the Linux ecosystem can be used to provide revenue streams for Microsoft.

That said, I think ReactOS should find a new host for their repository quickly.
To which form of capitalism are you referring? The US has many.
The stratego 'anything goes as long as I win' version is a very poor example and unfortunately the demonstrated mantra of TheCompany. Turning a blind eye to past history assures this recurring theme. Too bad the capitalism where "use of wealth as a way to organize effort for the betterment of all in kind" will never exist as long as avarice dominates companies/people like TheCompany/BG.
Just so it's expressed, TheCompany set computing back many decades, as proven by the wildfire of Gnu/Linux. TheCompany wealth was not from being the best product, just scams like 'un-bundling,'planned obsolescence, and pirating. The purchase of github follows this theme.
 
Old 03-11-2019, 09:27 PM   #65
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There is only one true form of Capitalism - Laissez Faire - but by it's very nature it is nearly impossible to implement in the first place and it changes as soon as it begins. Why is this? I think it is because Capitalism is the Economic equivalent of Democracy where everyone votes and dollars make up the ballot. Serve the greater good and you get voted to survive. The problem is that we never start out with a level playing field... some have more wealth/power not to mention abilities than others. So soon, the very liberty that gave them the ability to increase their wealth and power seduces them into influencing Law in the arena of commerce to protect and increase that wealth. Over time that leads to what is called lately "Late Stage Capitalism" which really is just a substitute term for Oligarchy. I don't know how things can prtoperly be returned to a healthy state oncve this stagnation reaches higher levels of such a counterproductive state but that is it's nature. Nothing is as fair or productive of progress as unbridled Capitalism but inevitably it corrupts itself because of basic short-sighted human nature.

I say "short sighted" because if we look all around us in Nature it can be seen that there are 2 evolutionary strategies - aggression and cooperation. There can be no argumant that aggression works... for a time. However plants that don't provide something to attract animals or take some non-aggressive advantage of nature like air and water currents, tend to go extinct especially once animals began the climb to the top of the food chain. Now that humans are the dominant species and not only cultivate beneficial plants but actively seek and destroy harmful weeds, the die is cast. Ultimately once Humanity realizes that cooperation and collaboration are the best long term strategy that not only maximizes wealth and power in the long run, but also helps create a world that is pleasant and productive to live and work in, we are possibly on the way to "the best of all possible worlds". If and when that ever occurs the cycles that plague Capitalism will have fallen away. In the meantime it is still the only strategy that doesn't require some form of Autocracy and the one that also fuels creativity and commerce.

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Old 03-14-2019, 03:20 PM   #66
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dude, ... pass the doobee



(no disrespect intended, I appreciate your opinion)

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Old 03-14-2019, 07:39 PM   #67
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Apparently we may still have a long way to go
 
Old 03-15-2019, 04:06 AM   #68
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I have the feeling that many of the proponents of / apologists for capitalism are those who are benefiting from it - or believe they can. The 99% of the "rest of us" who share the 1% of the wealth may see it differently... if we can even see the root of the problem at all.

Or maybe the praise for this failing and destructive system, comes from the wannabee little capitalists - "I can get there..." , etc.

Or perhaps it's just the only way they have ever known or can accept, the only way it can work, etc. i.e. we have to rely on making that 1% absolutely filthy stinking rich and hope that some of it "trickles down"... and of course capitalism won't function anyway without the less fortunate who can be exploited for their labour. The never ending pursuit of "economic growth", i.e. filthy rich shareholders are getting richer, some table scraps could be on the way to you (providing corrupt bankers don't **** it all up first that is). But then it's decade after decade of boom, bust, austerity and it goes on and on.

I think the state of the WWW today, where a handful of US based mega corporations pretty much control about 80% of it between them, shows the inevitable results of capitalism - monopolies.

If you work for any kind of private sector industry as I do, you will realise fairly quickly that "competition", one of the supposed pillars, one of the benefits as sold to the proletariat, is mostly an illusionary concept, or something to be eliminated / rigged. The reality is, cartels, price fixing and the "consumer" being screwed at every step - "rinsed" for every penny, to boost margins. If 4 or 5 large companies within a certain sector don't have to actively compete, they can cut costs, increase stability, etc - and most importantly of course, squeeze out the little startups who are not part of the cartel.

The true success of capitalism is in convincing the masses that it's the only way. Through ownership of the media companies, this is easily achievable - with that handful of US based tech giants running the WWW, it gets even easier.

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Hello cynwulf, I'd just like to say that none of that describes me. I'm retired on a very low fixed income and at the same time dealing with nasty illnesses like diabetes and stroke so there's no way I'm ever going to "get there". In fact I realize that I never did and never will benefit my personal worth from living in a Capitalist economy, especially since here, in the US, we are in "Late Stage Capitalism" or Oligarchy and I am definitely not in the privileged class. My confidence in Capitalism is limited as I pointed out since it always gets corrupted by power freaks and the wealthy and powerful who gain political traction overt time BUT aI know of no other system that doesn't even start out without some Deciders making the rules for wealth distribution. I'll take Freedom and Self-Determination over Wealth under government control any day.

Simply put I find "benevolent dictator" to be an oxymoron.

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