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Old 06-06-2018, 01:24 AM   #31
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Then you really do not understand how Microsoft works. They are after control and power, and everything they do is to further that agenda and nothing else.
Really, speculating on this is kind of a pointless waste of time - does anyone here have a lawyer friend or something they can ask?? If MS're not going to own the code, then, as I said, I don't see their motivation...?? What's the point in buying a couple of servers??!!
 
Old 06-06-2018, 03:15 AM   #32
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It is the death for Linux and opensource GIThub. Good move for bill to kill opensource by its root.
Not kill - assimilate!
 
Old 06-06-2018, 01:25 PM   #33
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i'll say this: github was under criticism a few months / maybe a year back for some changes to their usage terms; i don't exactly remember, but it was something along owning the code you submit to github.
i think it's no great feat to predict that microsoft will continue in that direction.

also, the change of CEO - it rings a bell...
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As part of this change, Nat Friedman will be taking on the role of GitHub’s CEO. We have been searching for a new CEO for some time and found in both Microsoft and Nat a partner we believe will strengthen and grow the GitHub community and company over the next few years. Nat has a ton of experience with software and the open source software community, having co-founded Xamarin and worked on numerous open source projects over the years, and is the perfect person to help GitHub grow and continue to make life better for developers.
isn't that how they killed Nokia?
mind you, i don't think MS want to kill github as a company, but surely they can kill what it is now and reshape it to suit their ends... Windows World Domination ... aaarrrggghhhh....
 
Old 06-06-2018, 01:47 PM   #34
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...mind you, i don't think MS want to kill github as a company, but surely they can kill what it is now and reshape it to suit their ends... Windows World Domination ... aaarrrggghhhh....
M$ already "dominate" the desktop market and Linux and the BSD's "dominate" the rest of the markets. I really can't see M$ getting what Linux and the BSD's already have, smartphone, supercomputer, etc, etc, markets...

But I'm sure this is another pillar in their "opensource strategy" ...
 
Old 06-06-2018, 02:24 PM   #35
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Really, speculating on this is kind of a pointless waste of time - does anyone here have a lawyer friend or something they can ask?? If MS're not going to own the code, then, as I said, I don't see their motivation...?? What's the point in buying a couple of servers??!!
Its not speculation, does not require a law degree either. It's very simple, the MO and philosophy of this company has been proven over the past three decades, extend-embrace-extinguish. As a company they are more akin to vultures, circling their prey until they devour it one way or another.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 02:24 PM   #36
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i'll say this: github was under criticism a few months / maybe a year back for some changes to their usage terms; i don't exactly remember, but it was something along owning the code you submit to github.
i think it's no great feat to predict that microsoft will continue in that direction.

also, the change of CEO - it rings a bell...
isn't that how they killed Nokia?
mind you, i don't think MS want to kill github as a company, but surely they can kill what it is now and reshape it to suit their ends... Windows World Domination ... aaarrrggghhhh....
exactly.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 02:30 PM   #37
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Buying Github doesn't give Microsoft ownership of the things hosted there, any more than buying Hotmail gave them ownership of users' emails. Less so in fact, since most (all?) of what's hosted on Github is explicitly licenced and ownership not transferred by those licences.

This is the first I've heard of the aquisition and, now I've checked the date on the opening post and had a few minutes to absorb the idea, it doesn't seem so strange. Lamentable, but not strange. My guess is this is largely a long-term PR exercise: MS was once seen as a big player in programming, now they want to hold on to that image by being seen as big in open-source development. When MS want to look big in an area, they either copy or buy (one of) the market leader(s). The problems will come if, or when, they try to do Github their way and end up making a mess of it.

I keep thinking that eventually, one day, Microsoft might manage to turn themselves around and become a well-behaved sofware company. I hold the hope but not my breath, but maybe they'll find some clues at Github.
ahh, but it can mean that. Recommend reviewing how they screwed, Novell/SUSE about 10-14 years ago. Also, note all of the patent trolling lawsuits they continue on an annual basis. If code even resembles MS code they will sue you into the ground. They are the epitome of what constitutes a Monopoly.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 02:00 AM   #38
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ahh, but it can mean that.


OK, so what you're saying is - a good CHUNK of the code written over years and years and years, by many people in the FOSS community, including Linus Torvalds, now belongs to Microsoft?!!
 
Old 06-07-2018, 04:24 AM   #39
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I'm relieved that, as a humble user, well, as a user, I've had no need to use Github.

As an aside, this old link that I've kept around for years because it is just so true seems relevant: https://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html
Thanks for this. Awesome. Just spent an hour or so reading, had to come back on post. Still reading. Wow, brought back memories too.

Not sure what to do with GitHub, I have an account, was planning on using it. My first reaction when I saw this was disbelief, then resignation and sadness. Thinking borg right now. We have to see how this turns out. There is a shipload of code at GitHub, I do a lot of updates using GitHub sources. Maybe nothing will change, at least I try to talk my self into this idea. It seems Microsoft wants it all.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:47 AM   #40
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On one hand, I feel like there's an overreaction to GitHub now becoming literal satan^H^H^H^H^HMicrosoft.

On the other, there's probably better websites that can host software projects that don't support one of the largest software companies that repeatedly chose to operate in bad faith.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 01:16 PM   #41
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it's not an overreaction; i'm not satanizing (is that even a word) either github or microsoft.
it's just come to that point where i don't want to use github for my own stuff anymore and am actively and seriously looking for alternatives.

btw, gitlab.com also seems to have ties to both google and azure, so not sure if that's the best alternative...

what about framagit.org then? they're using gitlab, but the software, not the servers.
 
Old 06-08-2018, 11:19 AM   #42
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i am doing a wait and see

BUT my expectations are very low

ether nothing really changes ( not likely )
or
MS forces the NON free accounts to the " Microsoft store"
in which case a win10 machine will be needed to use it / create a non-free account

i think the second case is likely


hope for the best but PLAN for the worst
 
Old 06-08-2018, 11:23 AM   #43
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I'm in the "wait and see" camp also with low expectations but also see this as an issue where MS will very likely "reveal their hand" in a more obvious manner than in the past. I hope it turns on them and bites hard.
 
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I read Satya Nadella's note on Github, I'm confused.... how will Github help MS move to the cloud, and do AI? (Indeed, I still don't really know what the word "cloud" means....)
The " Cloud " is just a modern version of mainframe timeshare mixed with a bit of "server / thin client"
 
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ether nothing really changes ( not likely )
or
MS forces the NON free accounts to the " Microsoft store"
in which case a win10 machine will be needed to use it / create a non-free account

i think the second case is likely
Things like that, yes. Remember Skype? Now I need a Microsoft account to sign in. At least my regular user account was forced to be merged with the Microsoft account. And then Skype for Linux functioned on and off soon after acquiring. And the last year I totally gave up. I use web Skype if I have to Skype. Thank gawd git itself is open source. But I am afraid soon a Microsoft account will be needed instead of a public key. Or Microsoft changes a few bits in the protocol of the Github server so you can only use a Microsoft app (from the appstore, yes) and a Windows machine.

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