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Old 06-05-2018, 08:51 AM   #16
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I read Satya Nadella's note on Github, I'm confused.... how will Github help MS move to the cloud, and do AI? (Indeed, I still don't really know what the word "cloud" means....)
 
Old 06-05-2018, 10:02 AM   #17
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I'm guessing if you look at the GitLab history here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitLab#History

That M$ will follow a similar model and split GitHub into free and 'enterprise' sections, gradually ( or not so gradually ) adding features to the paid version and leaving the free version further and further behind, thus 'encouraging' people to upgrade, after which of course your soul then belongs to the devil that is M$
 
Old 06-05-2018, 10:05 AM   #18
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This really ruins my day. How long will it be before you need a Microsoft account to sign in to Github?

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Old 06-05-2018, 10:27 AM   #19
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Meanwhile, this keeps happening:

Multiple Microsoft-Funded Patent Trolls Are Attacking Microsoft’s Rivals

Microsoft Still Attacks GNU/Linux With Patents to Make Billions of Dollars in ‘Protection’ Money

On the other hand, they're trying to look all nice and cool (see the pictures in Nadella's blog post on GitHub), but it just stinks as a huge and obscenely expensive PR operation to feather their own nest (as always).

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Old 06-05-2018, 01:14 PM   #20
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The last thing the kindly frog heard ...

"You knew I was a scorpion"
 
Old 06-05-2018, 01:45 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Pastychomper View Post
Buying Github doesn't give Microsoft ownership of the things hosted there, any more than buying Hotmail gave them ownership of users' emails. Less so in fact, since most (all?) of what's hosted on Github is explicitly licenced and ownership not transferred by those licences.

This is the first I've heard of the aquisition and, now I've checked the date on the opening post and had a few minutes to absorb the idea, it doesn't seem so strange. Lamentable, but not strange. My guess is this is largely a long-term PR exercise: MS was once seen as a big player in programming, now they want to hold on to that image by being seen as big in open-source development. When MS want to look big in an area, they either copy or buy (one of) the market leader(s). The problems will come if, or when, they try to do Github their way and end up making a mess of it.

I keep thinking that eventually, one day, Microsoft might manage to turn themselves around and become a well-behaved sofware company. I hold the hope but not my breath, but maybe they'll find some clues at Github.
Then you really do not understand how Microsoft works. They are after control and power, and everything they do is to further that agenda and nothing else.
 
Old 06-05-2018, 01:50 PM   #22
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Meanwhile, this keeps happening:

Multiple Microsoft-Funded Patent Trolls Are Attacking Microsoft’s Rivals

Microsoft Still Attacks GNU/Linux With Patents to Make Billions of Dollars in ‘Protection’ Money

On the other hand, they're trying to look all nice and cool (see the pictures in Nadella's blog post on GitHub), but it just stinks as a huge and obscenely expensive PR operation to feather their own nest (as always).
You forgot this one from 2014 regarding Micofocus being controlled by Microsoft ergo so is SUSE and openSUSE:
http://techrights.org/2014/11/23/boycott-micro-focus/
 
Old 06-05-2018, 02:36 PM   #23
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It is the death for Linux and opensource GIThub. Good move for bill to kill opensource by its root.
 
Old 06-05-2018, 02:44 PM   #24
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You forgot this one from 2014 regarding Micofocus being controlled by Microsoft ergo so is SUSE and openSUSE
Thank you, ChuangTzu, I had actually missed that one.

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The last thing the kindly frog heard ...
"You knew I was a scorpion"
Unfortunately big money is not good for the frog's memory. By the way (and going slightly OT) I still admire the integrity of Patrick Volkerding, who refused to sell Slackware to the highest bidder in the late 90s:

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I'd say the sales peak for Slackware was in early 1996. After that, a lot more companies began producing Linux distributions and the competition began to heat up. This was also when venture capitalists began to sniff around, wondering if Slackware would be a good dot-com investment. I never did accept any of the investment offers, mostly because I was concerned about pressures to change Slackware to appeal to a larger market at the expense of our loyal users. There were certainly times I looked around at the trade shows at new distributions with larger booths and more employees and wondered if I'd made the right move, but in retrospect I'm glad I kept things small. Most of those companies aren't around anymore.

Source: The Linux distribution that's always in the black (PV interviewed by Sam Varghese, 2002)

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Old 06-05-2018, 02:49 PM   #25
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Thank you, ChuangTzu, I had actually missed that one.



Unfortunately big money is not good for the frog's memory. By the way (and going slightly OT) I still admire the integrity of Patrick Volkerding, who refused to sell Slackware to the highest bidder in the late 90s:
Will LINUS do something to protect the open source community !




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This really ruins my day. How long will it be before you need a Microsoft account to sign in to Github?

jlinkels
10 minutes

Last edited by patrick295767; 06-05-2018 at 02:53 PM.
 
Old 06-05-2018, 03:03 PM   #26
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It is the death for Linux and opensource GIThub. Good move for bill to kill opensource by its root.
Possibly a bit of an over-reaction, killing one resource wont kill open source itself, not that it's a good thing 'cos its not ( killing the resource that is ).
 
Old 06-05-2018, 05:13 PM   #27
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...Indeed, I still don't really know what the word "cloud" means...
Simplified, it means "somebody else's computer" (or, if you prefer, "some other people's computers").
 
Old 06-05-2018, 09:13 PM   #28
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Better the devil you know than the devil you don't?
 
Old 06-05-2018, 10:28 PM   #29
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I'll actually worry when Linus worries enough to move:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux
 
Old 06-05-2018, 11:20 PM   #30
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He has form though - remember the sh1t-fight over Bitkeeper before Linus was dragged kicking and screaming into writing git to sort the community wars out.
 
  


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