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Fixit7 01-29-2016 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by schatoor (Post 468595)
Nope, I don't smoke at all. Although I life in the Netherlands with Amsterdam right around the corner.
I personally think we are way to tolerant to drugs. Ganja is a drug and it should be baned.

I agree.

Most people who use marijuana are un-motivated and lazy.

When they smoke and drive, they are just as bad as drunk drivers.

jamison20000e 01-29-2016 09:43 PM

So you'd rather ignore reality and facts for opinions and have black market$ and pig$, literally make a killing? Control is useless but education!!!

Fixit7 01-29-2016 09:57 PM

My statements are based on personal experience with MANY pot users.

Ex-wife, etc.

Look up the statistics for DUI's in states that have Okayed marijuana use.

Traffic accidents and fatalities have risen greatly.

I also have many law enforcements friends who can vouch for it also.

Jeebizz 01-29-2016 10:28 PM

pot smokers are lazy because.... ...?
 
Rising DUIs aside, I venture to guess still that alcohol still takes the lead. As far as lazy and unmotivated? There are plenty of alcoholics out there who are just as lazy, and burn all their money on booze. Whether legalisation of marijuana really adds any real significance has really yet to be seen. There are plenty of people out there also that get s***-faced drunk, no matter how much bigger the label on said drink says 'please drink responsibly.'

I do like the stereotypical view of the typical pot smoker though. The long hair, the constant listening to Bob Marley, always raging against 'the man.' C'mon, give me a break.

I like to partake in an occasional drink, but I know enough of how much to drink and when to stop, granted thats not like everyone else. I don't consider myself particularly lazy, I've held a job for at least 5 years almost. And the many jobs I have had, I have yet to be fired, why? Well I have this bad habit, of you know, showing to work on time, I'm sober, and clean.... Hrmm.


Would I smoke if I could legally be allowed? Sure, why not? If it does become legalised in the state that I live, sure.

I happen to live in TX, and even about 20 years ago I live in a suburb of Dallas, which was considered dry. Now its wet, why? Because the money and taxes. Oh sure there was the big fuss from opponents, there would be more people driving under the influence, many more arrests of drunken people ; except, I have really yet to see any of that, and we are now considered wet for over 10 years.... So....

Before you shoot me down 'alcohol is different, this is marijuana', well that doesn't matter, because the same doomsday argument is being applied here.


People are going to be lazy and unmotivated no matter what, with or without any illicit or legal substance , just get over that old stigma. Time to consign Reefer Madness to the comedy section of history.

People are also going to be irresponsible no matter what.

Fixit7 01-29-2016 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeebizz (Post 5490146)
Rising DUIs aside, I venture to guess still that alcohol still takes the lead. As far as lazy and unmotivated? There are plenty of alcoholics out there who are just as lazy, and burn all their money on booze. Whether legalisation of marijuana really adds any real significance has really yet to be seen. There are plenty of people out there also that get s***-faced drunk, no matter how much bigger the label on said drink says 'please drink responsibly.'

I do like the stereotypical view of the typical pot smoker though. The long hair, the constant listening to Bob Marley, always raging against 'the man.' C'mon, give me a break.

I like to partake in an occasional drink, but I know enough of how much to drink and when to stop, granted thats not like everyone else. I don't consider myself particularly lazy, I've held a job for at least 5 years almost. And the many jobs I have had, I have yet to be fired, why? Well I have this bad habit, of you know, showing to work on time, I'm sober, and clean.... Hrmm.


Would I smoke if I could legally be allowed? Sure, why not? If it does become legalised in the state that I live, sure.

I happen to live in TX, and even about 20 years ago I live in a suburb of Dallas, which was considered dry. Now its wet, why? Because the money and taxes. Oh sure there was the big fuss from opponents, there would be more people driving under the influence, many more arrests of drunken people ; except, I have really yet to see any of that, and we are now considered wet for over 10 years.... So....

Before you shoot me down 'alcohol is different, this is marijuana', well that doesn't matter, because the same doomsday argument is being applied here.


People are going to be lazy and unmotivated no matter what, with or without any illicit or legal substance , just get over that old stigma. Time to consign Reefer Madness to the comedy section of history.

People are also going to be irresponsible no matter what.

Of course alcohol still takes the lead.

It is legal everywhere, where pot is not.

I am not criticizing pot users.

Alcohol is still the single biggest preventable killer of people.

I have had many friends who died in alcohol accidents, suicides etc.

I think alcohol should be outlawed.

If you check the statistics during Prohibition, the death rate went WAY down.

Jeebizz 01-29-2016 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jamison20000e (Post 5489604)
I don't fear needles (or the wait which is the worst) anymore (probably thanks to my 11 year old nephew who has had over 25 surgerys now) but Heroin or "hardcore drugs" have always scared me, so I steer clear. Ibuprofen is good enough. I only drink occasionally for social events.

(Now and) if it were legal here, I (do) would enjoy it weekly; just like 12 year old's can because it's unregulated.
With the potencies of non toxic Marijuana these days there is no need to smoke it... not that moderation isn't key. ;)

:Edit.

Except that street heroin is essentially morphine in it's most impure form. Outlawing the poppy because heroin is bad, seems rather pointless and there are plenty of drugs used medically for legitimate reasons. Now whether or not your nephew had morphine after surgery is not my call nor do I obviously know, and I don't need to know thats not the point, plus it s the doctor's prerogative to prescibe whatever after surgery pain medication he/she wants. Morphine, Hydrocodon , etc, which if I am not mistaken are essentially controlled under US law by the DEA.

Jeebizz 01-29-2016 10:59 PM

I still have not heard of any actual GOOD reason why NOT to legalise it already.
 
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Originally Posted by Fixit7 (Post 5490148)
I think alcohol should be outlawed.

Why? Then it will just go underground again.

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Originally Posted by Fixit7 (Post 5490148)
If you check the statistics during Prohibition, the death rate went WAY down.

Except that, didn't the crime rate still increase rather than decrease? And yes maybe the death rate took a bit of a slump, but then weren't there illegal bootleg runners supplying possible lethal drinks, which meant that one particular drink could be your very last? What organization was it again, that started the underground bootlegging again?

Oh, and wasn't the government at one point responsible for PURPOSEFULLY spiking the alcohol with toxic substances? https://sites.psu.edu/shivensblog/20...g-prohibition/

Again, the death rate of alcohol during prohibition did slump for a bit until well......

I apologise but you are basically returning to the 'war-on-substances' argument now. How well is that really working?

Now am I suggesting we do what Portugal did and legalise all drugs? NOPE.exe , But I still don't see why we have to incarcerate people for possession of Marijuana, well unless you're white then you could probably get off easy, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/op...ests.html?_r=0 but I digress.

Who is supplying the states right now with 'illegal' marijuana? The Mexican drug cartels and co. Last I checked they weren't a very nice bunch right? How could the US benefit in legalising marijuana? Well how could it not? More money for the government, less money for drug lords. Simplistic argument, but sometimes the simplest argument is the best answer.

Fixit7 01-29-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeebizz (Post 5490157)
Why? Then it will just go underground again.



Except that, didn't the crime rate still increase rather than decrease? And yes maybe the death rate took a bit of a slump, but then weren't there illegal bootleg runners supplying possible lethal drinks, which meant that one particular drink could be your very last? What organization was it again, that started the underground bootlegging again?

Oh, and wasn't the government at one point responsible for PURPOSEFULLY spiking the alcohol with toxic substances? https://sites.psu.edu/shivensblog/20...g-prohibition/

Again, the death rate of alcohol during prohibition did slump for a bit until well......

I apologise but you are basically returning to the 'war-on-substances' argument now. How well is that really working?

Now am I suggesting we do what Portugal did and legalise all drugs? NOPE.exe , But I still don't see why we have to incarcerate people for possession of Marijuana, well unless you're white then you could probably get off easy, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/op...ests.html?_r=0 but I digress.

Who is supplying the states right now with 'illegal' marijuana? The Mexican drug cartels and co. Last I checked they weren't a very nice bunch right? How could the US benefit in legalising marijuana? Well how could it not? More money for the government, less money for drug lords. Simplistic argument, but sometimes the simplest argument is the best answer.

I do not know the statistics, but home grown pot is a a very large percentage of what U.S. users use.

There are some home grown species with over 75 THC.

But I have something that I would ask you to consider.

Would people be more served by NO mind altering substances ?

If you have kids, would you let them ride with someone who smoked pot or drank ?

Jeebizz 01-29-2016 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixit7 (Post 5490167)
I do not know the statistics, but home grown pot is a a very large percentage of what U.S. users use.

There are some home grown species with over 75 THC.

But I have something that I would ask you to consider.

Would people be more served by NO mind altering substances ?


If you have kids, would you let them ride with someone who smoked pot or drank ?

Irrelevant. Illegal moonshiners have over 90+ proof alcohol. Hell I can legally by Everclear, pure grain alcohol that is almost 100 proof if it isn't already.

I have one kid by the way. And before you rush off to the authorities, my parents smoked and still smoke (cigarettes), and drink occasionally. So......

I would be worried about my kid doing other things. Sure I don't want my kid to smoke and drink, let alone smoke pot, but thats my responsibility. My parents never abused alcohol, they smoked, but I somehow never really had the urge to smoke. Sure I've drank before, but so what? I'm still here, I'm not drunk, I don't depend on alcohol. I still don't smoke (though I guess I'm a second hand smoker because of my parent when I am around them.)




What if your kid becomes a mass murderer because he/she plays too much Call of Duty?
What if your kid is dishonest and wants to become a politician?

What if...blah blah blah blah..

Try again please.

Fixit7 01-29-2016 11:45 PM

Jeebiz,

We can agree to disagree.

Have a nice night. :-)

jamison20000e 01-30-2016 12:16 AM

Questions, should I worry about "freedom"?!

jamison20000e 01-30-2016 12:29 AM

Wanted to say $tupid there but I won't! ;)

jamison20000e 01-30-2016 12:44 AM

Smoking and driving is a law I'd support,,, tho better than DRINKING; "IN $IN WE TRU$T!"

jamison20000e 01-30-2016 01:16 AM

In "us" we trust LOFingL!

enorbet 01-30-2016 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixit7 (Post 5490098)
I agree.

Most people who use marijuana are un-motivated and lazy.

Citations please? It seems to me the sheer numbers of Artists of all kinds putting up with years of poverty to create a body of work is rather hard to dismiss. A large percentage of The Homebrew Computer Club and even PARC can be added to that list that had they been less motivated and driven, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Originally Posted by Fixit7 (Post 5490098)
When they smoke and drive, they are just as bad as drunk drivers.

This is simply and completely untrue and there are video recorded tests to prove it. Drunks cannot tell how inebriated they are and tend to drive very fast and recklessly. Pot smokers are easily spotted for driving 10MPH in a 25 zone and stopping 100 feet before a stop sign. Impaired? Sure if really really stoned but one major advantage of inhaled THC is that it hits fast and doesn't sneak up on a person over time like alcohol does and those imbibers know how high they are and of better judgment on their ability or lack of it to drive at all. They far more often choose not to drive until they have come down in an hour or two.

The number of arrests of drivers many of whom who are not high but who have some paraphernalia in the car has risen because of the nationwide trick of police who claim "What's that smell? I smell pot and need to search your vehicle." and have that become real and legal Probable Cause and one in which officers who plant evidence are protected by The Blue Line. All a driver needs to get such maltreatment is youth, longish hair, tattoos or piercings, musical instruments...anything that triggers "CounterCulture!" in the mind of the cop. A very large percentage of the time, if he wants you in cuffs he will find something that gives him cause. This rise in such traffic tickets gets added to statistics on accidents just like DUIs do, even though no "breathalyzer" or "road test" has been performed. Just rolling papers or a "roach" in the ashtray is sufficient.... sometimes not even that as they can cuff you and "bring you in for observation" for 24 hours. Police statistics are among the most doctored and skewed in existence because they are totally politically driven, get instant backup by the whole force, and are sometimes given high profile publicity especially just before election time.

As of January 27, 2016 some 27 US States comprising many millions of people have legalized medicinal marijuana. So if there is any truth to the FUD we should know soon. Some here would have us believe there is no valid medicinal use apparently ignoring many doctors and patients like the now famous little girl from Kansas, Charlotte Figi. She is worth an extended Google ride if only to see how Nixon's successful push to get marijuana labeled Schedule 1, just as useless and dangerous as heroin, and more importantly utterly denied by most for any sort of serious study, have thwarted serious research and left us with anecdote. Alcohol and Tobacco, whose use causes more deaths than all illicit drugs combined, are not even included within the lists of any Schedule for Controlled Substances. Welcome to Bizzaro World.


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