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Old 04-16-2004, 01:07 PM   #1336
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I don't use any high-end awesome programs in either Windows or Linux. And I don't use a third of the capablilities of Office programs, address books, browsers, or the other mundane programs I use on a daily basis.

I consider myself firmly in the catagory of end-user. I dream of writing my own genealogy program, or other database types of programs, but realistically, this is unlikely to happen. My mind has been dulled by to many years of Windows. (Though I started with a Comodore-64 wanna be, and taught myself speghetti basic in just a couple of weeks.)

However, I find when I set down in front of my SuSE 9, OpenOffice.org 1.1, I have two choices I can actually get my work done, or I can play. There are so many settings and choices it's like setting a bucket of bolts in a candy shop, and being told to count the bolts.

To make Linux any simpler (as long as you stay with the installed programs) would take away all the options. And we would be back to Windows. That wouldn't be a good idea.

However, where it can use some improvements, is in installing new software. If they could make the source and binaries come with all the little things you need, that would be helpful. I tried to download and install one game from the web, and I ended up with a goose-chase, and am just going to install the old version of the game off my SuSE DVD this weekend.

The moral of the story is, Linux from the box doesn't need to be made more simple. Those who need to work with it just need to stop playing and get to work.

The process of installing new programs from the web, a cd or what ever source, needs to be simplified. Or at least contain all the libraries, and extras, and add-ons you need to get the thing right the first, second, or third time you try.
 
Old 04-16-2004, 01:37 PM   #1337
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The process of installing new programs from the web, a cd or what ever source, needs to be simplified. Or at least contain all the libraries, and extras, and add-ons you need to get the thing right the first, second, or third time you try.
try Debian (sid!), it's apt-get system can install (almost) every software you could want, without the pain of having to search for dependencies, missing libraries,... and it is not as difficult to install as most people say it is.


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I dream of writing my own genealogy program, or other database types of programs, but realistically, this is unlikely to happen.
You should consider using php/mysql to write your own "program" that suits your needs. I know someone using. Microsoft Access databases for genealogy, and as I see his work I think php/mysql would be a perfect alternative. Just a suggestion from someone that isn't really genealogy aknowledged .

cheers!
 
Old 04-16-2004, 01:52 PM   #1338
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Originally posted by larwana

However, where it can use some improvements, is in installing new software. If they could make the source and binaries come with all the little things you need, that would be helpful. I tried to download and install one game from the web, and I ended up with a goose-chase, and am just going to install the old version of the game off my SuSE DVD this weekend.

Like kingka said apt-get is a very good installation system that automatically solves any dependencies problems a program might have. And it's available for suse too. Have a look at the following link for more info:
http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/home.html
Try it it's great, and also install synaptic ( a graphical front end to apt)
 
Old 04-16-2004, 02:22 PM   #1339
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Re: what?

Quote:
Originally posted by DanoL
Please don't be so glib and naive.

I am speaking about APPLICATIONS not software VERSIONS.
I see where you are coming from. I miss photoshop when I am in linux, I wish they would support linux for all their apps, I mean don't they already have to port them to OSX? Sure osx isn't straight linux but I would imagine the conversion there would be worth it.

[EDIT] You could always look into <a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/">Crossover products by Codeweavers</a> and <a href="http://www.winehq.org/">Wine</a>. I've heard of people getting macromedia programs running in linux with Crossover before.

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Old 04-16-2004, 06:02 PM   #1340
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Originally posted by tsarbo
Like kingka said apt-get is a very good installation system that automatically solves any dependencies problems a program might have. And it's available for suse too. Have a look at the following link for more info:
http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/home.html
Try it it's great, and also install synaptic ( a graphical front end to apt)
Thanks. I'll try it Sunday when I can get online.
 
Old 04-16-2004, 06:11 PM   #1341
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Thanks. I'll try it Sunday when I can get online.
Arent you online now?

I have had SOME but not many troubles with apt-get in the past. Just with installed programs not functioning properly(missing links -- didn't upgrade cleanly). I used yum/up2date on fedora recently andwhile up2date had some issues (the gui front end) yum worked like a charm to update my whoel system. . . it even did the kernel properly without me even realizing it till I booted, something i've been told apt-get usually screws up.
 
Old 04-16-2004, 08:39 PM   #1342
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I am online at work. But I don't have a connection at home. I live in the desert, and there are no land lines, cable lines, dsl lines available. We have looked into satallite, but that is an expensive option when you need both upload and download.

So I pay for my mom a dialup connection, and use her computer on the weekends, or hook up my laptop to her phone lines. During the week I use the T1 at work or the free lab at a local community college.

That is the frustrating part of going on goose chases for programs. It takes several hours, and I can only work on it one day a week.

But all in all, I love Linux and especially SuSE. So I just manage as best I can.
 
Old 04-16-2004, 09:40 PM   #1343
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Quote:
Originally posted by davoman
Paul Parr & bananaman are exactly right.
Linux has a serius problem of not distinguishing the techician from the end-user.

This is where Winslows prevails. Computers are meant to do tasks. Spending hours configuring a computer undermines that idea totally.
That's utter non-sense. It's not about being able to use
the machines, it's about being allowed not to think while
doing it and have it look pretty, with frills and all, in appalling,
errrrh, appealing bright colours ...

If you add-up the times that you have to re-boot the
windows machine (and I'm not talking blue-screens
here but software installation and hourly security
upgrades) the 20 minutes longer it takes you to set-up
slackware than XP (If it does, I can do a slack-install
with OO faster than XP with MS Office, Internet set-up
and a good graphics tool plus gaim for IM needs) are
MORE than overcompensated by the times you can't
use Mickysoft's product.


Cheers,
Tink

P.S.: Oh well, back in this thread :} I must be bored or
something ;)
 
Old 04-17-2004, 03:09 PM   #1344
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have it look pretty, with frills and all, in appalling, errrrh, appealing bright colours ...
There is nothing wrong with an OS being pretty. If you can combine great looks with functionality, customization, and preformance you have a product with mass appeal.

Even Techies and Geeks like to look at pretty things.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with having the option to use a command line, or text based shell when the desire hits.

I am glad most distributions are combining the best of both worlds. And face it, for more widespread appeal, you have to have good looks in this jaded age.
 
Old 04-17-2004, 03:43 PM   #1345
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Quote:
Originally posted by larwana
There is nothing wrong with an OS being pretty. If you can combine great looks with functionality, customization, and preformance you have a product with mass appeal.
Nice quoting :)

Of course there's nothing wrong with things being
good *and* pretty. But with MS "pretty" is all you get,
and no, I'm not a frustrated home-owner of an ex-XP
PC, but a systems administrator, and have many XP
boxes around, and no, they aren't stable (compared
to the few Linux machines around).



Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 04-19-2004, 04:09 PM   #1346
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Hi All
Mac OS X is also UNIX based. Installing programs is so easy there. One should have such system for Linux. else it is going to be Geeks only OS.
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Old 04-19-2004, 04:13 PM   #1347
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Hi All
Mac OS X is also UNIX based. Installing programs is so easy there. One should have such system for Linux. else it is going to be Geeks only OS. I am surprised so many Linux users could not do it. Apple - a tiny community good make great OS with the stability of UNIX. I guess this is all becuase of so many distro etc. If there has been one defined structure, there won't have been mess. a universal system for adding and removing programs which could be done by anybody like OS X or PC.
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Old 04-19-2004, 05:42 PM   #1348
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personnaly i don't care about apple stuff, won't buy any of their products unless someone pays me to do it. Don't really care too about users you don't like linux or don't use it because they say it is a geek os, really don't care about it... They can buy a krosucks pc, a rotted apple or something else that suits them.
 
Old 04-19-2004, 08:14 PM   #1349
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New Users and different perspectives

i will say that linux is just as easy for me as windows was.i had no experience with either when i started.i have had problems with winxp installing a printer and scanner because of driver problems and i have had problems getting sound to work in linux.my preference is linux tho because it is possible to fix the problem without being told to reboot or reformat which doesnt solve the problem .learning about linux has taught me how to search on google for answers tho.the problem i have is the keywords to search for.how am i to know it is dns that i need to search for connectivity problems or blaster sound card for listening to music?
keywords have been my major problem.sometimes newbies dont know the right terminology to even ask the question.we get ridiculed because we try to describe what is going on but it is different words from what the linux superiors use so we are ignored or told to RTFM.well i read and i read a lot but if i am not reading the right man page or google page it isnt going to help at all.after 2 1/2 years i can at least go to places where i know i can get answers but it doesnt work that way for all new users.they get very discouraged and frustrated.sure they get attitudes but then so do the ones that are helping.we all have bad days.i just try to remember not to take it personal.i also dont want special favors,i just want the chance to learn.
 
Old 04-19-2004, 08:22 PM   #1350
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I've really not been a fan of Apple. Everything is ridiculously overpriced and overrated. They just don't have the power or the ability to compete with hardware and software at the same time. To me Apple forcing everyone to use their software on their hardware is just a very outdated way of thinking.
 
  


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