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View Poll Results: Do you want a Linux with an Interview Style Install and Setup?
I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
I'm an occassional user, I don't care either way. 222 13.19%
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Old 04-15-2004, 03:30 AM   #1321
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It's all in the defaults.
Its why Win2K was better than NT.

'Automatic by default, with options to configure' is the way to go.

You CAN have an operating system that is super customisable AND have a sexy GUI. Its called having an 'Advanced' tab next to the Wizard's big buttons.

Paul Parr & bananaman are exactly right.
Linux has a serius problem of not distinguishing the techician from the end-user.

This is where Winslows prevails. Computers are meant to do tasks. Spending hours configuring a computer undermines that idea totally.
 
Old 04-15-2004, 06:17 AM   #1322
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Originally posted by hooya27
I hate the richest man in the world....
That would be Ingvar Kamprad from swedish furniture (design) house IKEA. What do you hold against that man???

 
Old 04-15-2004, 11:46 AM   #1323
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Lol..
Looks like U've been watching news, JZL240I-U!!!
 
Old 04-15-2004, 12:24 PM   #1324
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Re: Thanks for your comment Guys

Quote:
Originally posted by Paul Parr
Even performance wise my Windows XP system are lightning fast compared to Redhat 8. I can reboot and be back in the despktop in seconds, where Redhat taken several painful minutes to get there....My Windows XP runs circles around it.
Don't stop there, bro. Now if you had said "boot up" instead of "reboot", I would not have replied. But you didn't, so off I go..

Sure, comparing shutting down and rebooting times, WinXP wins. However, not even taking into consideration such issues as to which OS does what during boots and shutdowns, consider this: How many times are you going to need to reboot your linux box? Now consider how many times you'll have to reboot WinXP. When you look at the bigger picture here, there's really no comparison.

Unless, of course, I'm at the helm, in which case you're rebooting that linux box every ten minutes because I muck it up like it's my job.

I rest my case.

If someone else made a post to this extent already, then I lose for not reading all 21398123 posts first. Just -1 troll me or something.
 
Old 04-15-2004, 12:34 PM   #1325
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"People that install operating systems do it because they want to.

People that fiddle with application settings do it because they are computer geeks.

Users are oblivious. Geeks are US.

Shut up and learn; if you want to be a geek, BE ONE!"

This couldn't be more correct and clear! I deeply agree with it.
The whole understanding problem between engineers and endusers is that each one has a different demand on the system, and different criteria to evaluate "good" and "bad" systems and apps. A "good" system for an engineer can be almost completely useless for an enduser.

Promised myself I would never more post in this thread, but here I am breaking my promise.
I have been using linux since 2001, started with mandrake. I was an ocasional user, installing and removing the system, and moving back to win when I needed to do serious stuff. At that time, I thought I would never come to have the same intimacy with linux that I had with win.

Last year, by august, I started to read about SuSE and gave it a try. From september to january I dualbooted suse with win2k. By the beginning of this year I felt I could remove win from the machine. And from january to the present suse is finnaly alone here.

I don't know exactly what you guys call "easy of use" (whether this is being just like win) but suse is really friendly, to my taste.

Have you newbies tried suse?

Linux has, I agree, a great deal of work to do to get easier. Friendliness is a good thing. But the more friendly a Linux can be, it will yet be a Linux, not a win.

Because of that, there will be always a learning curve to go up. Don't be iluded.

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Old 04-15-2004, 02:20 PM   #1326
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as for the reboot scene, windows sucks. like paperdiesel said, in linux, how often do you need a reboot? in windows, its every time you install an application (just about).
 
Old 04-15-2004, 05:26 PM   #1327
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yet another

After reading the 89 pages of posts over the same time that it took me to get Mandrake 10 working properly (5 days) and (I'm only new testing Linux distros) I can say only one thing:
If it wasn't for my WindozeXP machine sitting right next to me,(to check a forum every hour) I would never have gotten this working as well as it is now. Locating all the tricks and secrets is a chore.

And now that it works, and it was kind of fun like the old days, what do I do with it? None of the serious mainstream applications that I have invested in so heavily (in both time and money) over the past 15 years comes in a Linux flavor. And probably never will.
 
Old 04-15-2004, 06:26 PM   #1328
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Quote:
Originally posted by DAChristen29
as for the reboot scene, windows sucks. like paperdiesel said, in linux, how often do you need a reboot? in windows, its every time you install an application (just about).
My windows XP box doesn't get rebooted more than my linux box. I end up bouncing each of them once a week, and I used to reboot my xp box at work even less. If you are good to your windows box it will usually be good back, just like linux. That doesn't mean it will be as good as linux, the performance of an XP box does degrade a lot more after a week uptime than a linux box does especially after heavy use, but you can't just throw around the instability argument with XP as much as you could with 98, me, etc. A large part of windows instability is cause by fragmentation of the harddrive, poorly written spyware, installing every application you can, and unstable programs. Windows however does certianly eat my ram up fast, thats for sure. --it also depends what kind of app you are installing too if you need a reboot.

Now if only fedora would update properly I would close in on migrating completely to linux. . .
 
Old 04-15-2004, 06:35 PM   #1329
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Re: yet another

Quote:
Originally posted by DanoL
After reading the 89 pages of posts over the same time that it took me to get Mandrake 10 working properly (5 days) and (I'm only new testing Linux distros) I can say only one thing:
If it wasn't for my WindozeXP machine sitting right next to me,(to check a forum every hour) I would never have gotten this working as well as it is now. Locating all the tricks and secrets is a chore.

And now that it works, and it was kind of fun like the old days, what do I do with it? None of the serious mainstream applications that I have invested in so heavily (in both time and money) over the past 15 years comes in a Linux flavor. And probably never will.
Are you sure about that? You might have to just look harder. . . What programs are you looking for?
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...31221192545783
www.sourceforge.net
 
Old 04-15-2004, 07:10 PM   #1330
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I'm sure

I'm not talking about linux software that does something similar: I mean the actual applications.

These include Adobe products, (Illustrator, Photoshop, Acrobat), Rhino3D and even Quickbooks by Intuit. I have invested many man-years in understanding the intricacies and nuances of such applications and others and don't plan on going somewhere else only to be frustrated by new inadequacies.

Always there are 2 flavors of the important mainstream software products: MAC or Windows. Until there is a viable 3rd option, Linux will be a backroom, hobbiest-oriented, geek- approved product and M$ knows it. Large software companies have to get on board with IBM, HP etc who already see the light. Of course the SC0 thing isn't helping much.

All the points made throughout this thread are valid and well thought out. Maybe the momentum will accompany these ideas.
 
Old 04-15-2004, 07:13 PM   #1331
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Unless it changes, I will not be a supporter in a professional sense. Just in my spare time. I would waste complete work weeks tweaking it. I need to eat, so forget it.
 
Old 04-16-2004, 01:38 AM   #1332
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Linux v windows

Hi,
89 posts have not changed a thing everybody is right linux is linux and windows is windows.
I have worked as a network specialist in mainly Mainframes and minis for over thirty years, MVS, VM/VSE etc and linux compares to them in the time and research neccessary to install, it also is secure for that reason as with the mainframe no college boys would take the time neccessary to understand the intracacies of the mainframe to hack it same with linux. In december I started to install linux, Mandrake 9.2, it took lots of research of howtos to get everything working. At last everything worked Dual boot with Win2k the lot. Last week I decided to load KDE 3.2.
I'm starting all over again?????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
Old 04-16-2004, 01:46 AM   #1333
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Re: I'm sure

Quote:
Originally posted by DanoL
... I have invested many man-years in understanding the intricacies and nuances of such applications and others and don't plan on going somewhere else only to be frustrated by new inadequacies. ...
Then you are stuck and just might begin to petrify . You constantly have to keep abreast with developments and be it just with the new versions of the software you are used to ... so why not learn something new? You presumably know the site http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-l...en/table.shtml ?
 
Old 04-16-2004, 07:30 AM   #1334
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what?

Please don't be so glib and naive.

I am speaking about APPLICATIONS not software VERSIONS.
 
Old 04-16-2004, 07:49 AM   #1335
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Re: what?

tsk,tsk
Quote:
Originally posted by DanoL
... I am speaking about APPLICATIONS not software VERSIONS.
So you object to learning some (really) new abilities ... your choice.
 
  


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