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I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
I'm an occassional user, I don't care either way. 222 13.19%
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Old 03-07-2004, 08:04 PM   #1261
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I think thats the real fun thing of trying different distros, because in different distros you run into different problems, and its kind of like a game to get somthing going, believe me, once I get something going (after tons of visits over here to LQ) I look for somthing new to try, and usually it takes time getting it going..

Now if you are doing basic things, SuSe, and Mandrake, RedHat, and Fedora have the ease they need.. Slackware is a great Distro for Hardcore Linux users.. I have not even tried to get my CD Burner/DVD Player going in Slack...
 
Old 03-09-2004, 01:18 PM   #1262
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How about this…

Linux FrontEnd wishlist:
First take Codeweavers Crossover Office and merge it with TransGaming’s winex3. Incorporate any and all cross platform designs to formulate a solid (easy to use) Linux gaming/Business compatibility “solution” (keyword). Eventually get all cross platform designers to share their ideas and work together to multiply their efforts as opposed to reinventing each others wheels persa. Have them collaborate with desktop designers like XandrOS, Lycoris, Ark, and even Lindows for implementing an aesthetic user friendly front end (Kernal or KDE mods) as opposed to butchering already credible distros such as Debian and Red Hat. Review the pros and cons in regards to RPM vs Deb design package implementation. Work with (and for) existing distros like Debian, Slackware, Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, Gentoo…and who else and distribute it solely as an optional layer for existing established Distributions. This way power users will not be shunned by these partly crippled watered down desktop designed OS’s. Perhaps the answer lies not in redesigning an already working system but rather build a modulated application GUI designed to integrate into an existing OS. In other words, if it works, don’t fix it! But if you need more, then give it more but not at the cost of changing what already is deemed stable. Would something like this be a viable solution?

Could it even be done? If so, were to begin…

 
Old 03-09-2004, 07:46 PM   #1263
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linux is such an interesting OS platform. it has so much ability and open source will take the other OS companies out eventually. some unity would strengthen it so much....if you want it different then you should be able to change it....

distro cooperation/unity....not competition/sides.... we would get better software that worked better....than it does already. it would be easier to get help, because everything would be in the same place and have the same name(that's a funny one....lol)............

hmm.....i enjoy using linux.....but i hate having to take 2 hours to 4 weeks to get something working right(not just kinda, or workarounds, or sometimes, not havig to change a thousand permissions)....when it should take 15 mins.....now thats not all the time....mind you, but it does happen....the gui needs more power.....

not to take anything away from the command line, but GUIs are a good way to get more people to use it....and isnt that what we all want?....dont we all want open source to take over?....just a thought...

dig.
 
Old 03-10-2004, 12:07 AM   #1264
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there is a fundamental problem here, the ph33r of change ...

Agreed, sex, documentation and stuff working are all the same, any is better than none, and when they are good, they are very good. However, linux distro's are to some extent fundamentally different from each other.

.rpm, .deb, .tgz - rpm, apt-get, installpkg + all the prorpietary tools like Yast, rpmdrake let alone the alternate front ends (kpackage).

and then there is the fear (ph33r) which no one admits to because:
1) they aren't afraid
2) their way is better
3) the other way has a dodgy color

though 3 is not meaningful, the fact is there tends to be a nigling thing that people don't like. This is were unity falls appart. And besides do we all want to surrender to the RedHat way of doing things?? NO!!

It is fundamentally good to have competition, it fuels evolution, and unlike the holes in Darwin's theory, we have all the links in this case.

Granted unity is good, and we are one (though we are many [according to a song many mistake as the Australian Anthem]) we are for open source, we are for things working and we are for packages comming in the best format. what any of those three points mean though, is open for interpretation.

GUI or CLI. No, we don't all want GUI. the CLI is solid, i KNOW i can mkdir in it, because it has worked for the past 5 years, and so why should it stop with the next iteration of whatever the command comes with. In KDE 3.2 it doesn't work (though according to the change log in 3.2.1 it will). GUI's are nice, we all love them, afterall we can put pictures of ... whatever in the background, and there was a time when having the largest shot of someone's cleavage made you cool (odds are this still is happening at high school level).

BUT GUI's are not the future, KDE or Gnome, is not going to be the way we are doing out stuff in 10 years time. Or maybe it will but evolved in such a way we wouldn't recognise their root. (just look at the jump from 3.0 to 3.1 in KDE). But whatever is the way of the future, unity is NOT the way of getting there.

Besides, what is unity? unity in what regard? does unity involve getting rid of .ded?? No, unity is about foundations. You have a country, a community of people who are very different, but they are one. Not because they all eat a certain brand of cerial. or buy a certain kind of light bulbs. What makes them one is not even their ideology. We are all part of the open source community ... some more than others.

How does this make Linux easier to use? we have the ability to give feedback to the people that write the software. Not a corporations ... REAL people. exercise the power give people feedback, they might not have you on their mind when they develop the latest compression tool, they are doing it because they need one, BUT many want others to use their software AND so they will listen.
 
Old 03-10-2004, 12:20 AM   #1265
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chakkerz: That was a very interesting read. The Linux family will - I'm sure keep this in mind. I know I will, and as to the GUI - CLI thoughts I agree! cause in Mac the GUI is as sweet as you can imagine - but I make a point of using the CLI (Mac terminal Darwin) instead cause the computer is that and not a lamp on - lamp off simple appliance. Every family needs a good admin, and one that can admin doz, Linux and Mac? Why not!
 
Old 03-10-2004, 09:21 AM   #1266
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I lwould rather use Linux over any other O.S.

I usually configure everything manually because of the added control that you have.
Like when you add a new user you can give him/her a directory with a different name or shared directory (for a group or to share with someone else).

There are time when you need/want to get a task done now so you can do what you would rather be doing or aren't sure what to do. This is when GUI has its place. You can also "reverse engineer" what the GUI did and what files were affected.

My real issue (to repeat it) is spending too much time searching for a library.

As for package managers; for me to tar, gzip (bzip2), compile, and install is the only real way.
 
Old 03-10-2004, 07:51 PM   #1267
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Java #@%$&

I just wanted to put my two cents in on this thread...

I've been 'experimenting' with linux, primarily RedHat, off and on since RedHat 4.2. Now I'm using RedHat 9.0 and my chief complaint is around installing something as simple as the Java JRE just so Mozilla will display friggin' java appletts.

I've ran the JRE executable several times now, all complete sucessfully, I've followed all the instructions I have been able to "Google", set the path in .bashrc and still Java doesn't work.

I love Linux, especially RedHat, always have, always will, but I still think it is seriously flawed.
 
Old 03-10-2004, 08:15 PM   #1268
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Re: Java #@%$&

Quote:
Originally posted by megnin
I just wanted to put my two cents in on this thread...

I've been 'experimenting' with linux, primarily RedHat, off and on since RedHat 4.2. Now I'm using RedHat 9.0 and my chief complaint is around installing something as simple as the Java JRE just so Mozilla will display friggin' java appletts.

I've ran the JRE executable several times now, all complete sucessfully, I've followed all the instructions I have been able to "Google", set the path in .bashrc and still Java doesn't work.

I love Linux, especially RedHat, always have, always will, but I still think it is seriously flawed.
You need to install the plugin (or use Konqueror or Opera, which use the java vm instead of a plugin:

Mozilla's take
Sun's way
A thread I participated in with the right answer
DrOzz's wisdom

Of course nobody mentions that a boxed set usually has a working java out of the box...
 
Old 03-10-2004, 10:00 PM   #1269
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Re: Re: Java #@%$&

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Originally posted by vectordrake
You need to install the plugin (or use Konqueror or Opera, which use the java vm instead of a plugin:
Uhhh, I've installed the plugin every time I've hit a web page with java...
 
Old 03-10-2004, 10:11 PM   #1270
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megnin: Did you see Kevin Rose's Red Hat review on tech TV today? If so, any reaction?
 
Old 03-10-2004, 10:16 PM   #1271
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Re: Re: Re: Java #@%$&

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Uhhh, I've installed the plugin every time I've hit a web page with java...
Excellent! So it works, then.
 
Old 03-10-2004, 10:29 PM   #1272
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Java #@%$&

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Originally posted by vectordrake
Excellent! So it works, then.
Uhh, no. It doesn't.
 
Old 03-10-2004, 10:34 PM   #1273
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Quote:
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megnin: Did you see Kevin Rose's Red Hat review on tech TV today? If so, any reaction?
Oh, you know, Tech TV, The Screen Savers and Call for Help were my favorite shows when I lived in California. We moved to Florida and I don't get them any more. ;-(

I'll check the web page for it though. Thanks. I wish I had been able to catch it. I believe Kevin is a proponent of Linux.
 
Old 03-11-2004, 12:33 AM   #1274
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I have used Windows for about 6 years and what has really drawn me into Linux is the fact that you can make work like you want. I have a very short experience with it and facing many of the problems outlined here. However, using the forums, I was able to configure a Domain Controller and A mail server in a short time. That has encouraged me and I think Linux is it!
 
Old 03-11-2004, 12:47 AM   #1275
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megnin: Comcast has it here on CH 294. jgnasser: Glad you're having good results with Red Hat, I am to. Everything works except the crappy winmodem, but my Mac gets me online and I have the new drivers for the slowdem and after I upgrade the kernel, I will make my Linux box on line.
 
  


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