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I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
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Old 02-01-2004, 06:04 PM   #1141
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Cool When the firey pits of the underworld freeze over


I still can't get my Linksys WUSB11 ver2.6 wireless usb adapter to work in redhat 9

nevertheless

I still can't listen to my mp3s in Windows from a console/terminal/command line



 
Old 02-01-2004, 06:30 PM   #1142
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Having just dipped through some of the comments in this thread, my 2 cents worth. The main reason Linux is relatively complicated is because it is so easy to tinker/tweak. Windows' idea of customizing your installation is picking a desktop theme. And it took me two days to get my legacy ISA modem working in windows. It kept changing my settings to conflict with the sound card. In Linux the modem worked first try.

Paraphrasing something I read a couple of years ago, Windows is for people that deal with computers the way I deal with my car. I put gas in it, get the oil changed, and have regular tuneups. If it doesn't work I call a mechanic. Most people are like that with a computer. If it works they are happy. If it doesn't work they call somebody to fix it. Linux is for the people that like to open up the hood and do it themselves.

As for making Linux simple, do like Windows did. Have a distro with only one window manager/desktop, one office suite, and no compiler. The only way to install software being through precompiled binaries. because, face it, a lot of the difficulties in Linux come from the very things that make it so versatile.
 
Old 02-01-2004, 07:21 PM   #1143
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Hi Paul..........just a little note from Brantford,Ontario.I know what you mean about being hard to set-up and not being very user friendly.But ,not to knock the O/S its probably the flavour of Linux you are using .Each Flavour has its own characteristics which make its appeal to that user unique.If you are using Linux for the First time or you are not very familiar with the techniques of Linux I would strongly urge anyone migrating from a Windows envoiroment to try and start with SUSE linux.It has the appeal to many Windows users and is causing a magor stir inEurope right know because it is so user friendly and easy to install.I truely believe until a user gets his or her feet wet for awhile with the Linux bug and reads a couple of books they should stick to ths Flavour .Then when you get addictted to the joy of owning a Linux O/S you will force yourself to learn more .Just like your Windows.........................keep the faith Brother .Open end is where its at
 
Old 02-01-2004, 07:40 PM   #1144
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Welcome USSR. I tend to agree with your overall approach. Right now I have a PC that I am tinkering with Red Hat Linux which is running fine internally. If I wanted, I can restore it to doz and have everything working. I'd much rather tinker with Linux with it if it takes all year!
 
Old 02-01-2004, 07:44 PM   #1145
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From sharper

Paraphrasing something I read a couple of years ago, Windows is for people that deal with computers the way I deal with my car. I put gas in it, get the oil changed, and have regular tuneups. If it doesn't work I call a mechanic. Most people are like that with a computer. If it works they are happy. If it doesn't work they call somebody to fix it. Linux is for the people that like to open up the hood and do it themselves.

As for making Linux simple, do like Windows did. Have a distro with only one window manager/desktop, one office suite, and no compiler. The only way to install software being through precompiled binaries. because, face it, a lot of the difficulties in Linux come from the very things that make it so versatile.
Linux is so versatile that a GUI and desktop, that is even easier to use and more powerful than Windows, can be added without taking out any of its other features such as the compiler. In other words, nothing that is currently part of Linux need be sacrificed in order to make it easier to use.
 
Old 02-01-2004, 07:57 PM   #1146
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Hey Xode..............I would strongly agree to what you are saying ,dealing with the way we use our computers and to how the present craze is to where we are know.I strongly believe that with the way Mr gates is pushing his O/S down the commercial throats of the world that it will continue ti push people and Industry towards the Free source code more and more.By creatig the money hunger craze that his company needs to feed itself,it will drive peaple to either try and educate themselves and find a better way to enjoy thier time on line or they will be force to pay for the joy of going ...........click...........click...............click.I would rather have a O/S thats takes a little know how and brains to set up and operate that one that has a million problems .And i think MyDoom,just show that to the world this week-end .Did it not
 
Old 02-01-2004, 09:03 PM   #1147
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Is it because that the terminal could bypass permissions?

Or maybe its not really the Mac on a Unix architechture at fault, but rather GUI orientated software that didn't set permissions, but caught keywords or something?
There is no one smart enough at my school to know how to hack using the terminal..
 
Old 02-01-2004, 10:34 PM   #1148
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thast the problem isint? no one is smart enough, so somone tells em to do
rm -fvr //
and what tehn?, sure teh IT people aint smart enough to not let this happen cuse they dotn know shit about how to set permissions
 
Old 02-01-2004, 10:52 PM   #1149
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SciYro: truly! it couldn't be easier! check permissions, +w - w add write, subtract write, +x -x add/delete execute... where's the difficulty? these are the params in Mac by the way!
 
Old 02-01-2004, 11:27 PM   #1150
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agree about needing to learn, but

At risk of being shot down... as a newbie who falls into both categories above - of switching both because I am sick of windoze, but predominantly because I want to learn, a thought on the analogies.

Yes - it's good that users of linux must learn more about computers. But if we look at the main reason we have computers and technology in general - is it not to make life easier?

Continuing with this line of thought, to completely eradicate ourselves of the bane of windoze and to continue the improvements provided to society through technology development, do we not then need to have a v.easy to install and operate versions of linux for the mass population (and let's face we all know a good proportion of computer illiterates), and then entice people into providing more to development efforts.

So god bless the distros such as mandrake that are easy to install and operate - and god bless the people who have put in the hard yards developing them. But I for one as a power user of pc's but not a developer in any way am still struggling with installing redhat, and even tho' this is compatibility / driver related modem issues - if I wasn't doing it to learn (amongst other reasons), I probably would've given up by now and taken the advice of go and buy a mac (and it's still not out of the question - everyone only has so much patience).

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Old 02-02-2004, 12:01 AM   #1151
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bootsy: I hear you! as you can see i resolved this by using Mac as my primary. The main suggestion right here is to use a Linux CD installed. This driver - compatibility thing seems quickly narrowed down by this alone. I personally have it down to the modem... But I also feel that part of all this is to combine the fact that computers do help to make life easier but are also to teach us to learn to control them ourselves!. It is in this combination that we can knock off this virus crap!
 
Old 02-02-2004, 12:19 AM   #1152
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Originally posted by SciYro
thast the problem isint? no one is smart enough, so somone tells em to do
rm -fvr //
and what tehn?, sure teh IT people aint smart enough to not let this happen cuse they dotn know shit about how to set permissions
Who is going to tell them to type that in? There is NOBODY at my school that knows that means, not even me.. rm -fvr // ?? I have no clue...
 
Old 02-02-2004, 02:40 AM   #1153
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Hi,
Thanks for the Linux Doc Project and the Red Hat Bible link-my search-fu is weak(and time to search is short these days.I thought the ice storm would at least get me some net time,but noooo....the phone lines went out.)Oh,and if the documentation with a distro is enough to get me up and running and net-ready,no complaints on having to do the rest myself.
Witeshark-sorry for the delay(ice storm,muttermumble).I got online from the KPPP dialer-once I set the port for sttty0 and queried the modem,it identified the modem by itself,and then I just set up my number and set Dynamic Isp as the default.All in the GUI,but on KDE.I honestly can't do the Gnome dialer that way,no experience in it.
Ahhhhh,crud-it's RH 7.3 for Dummies,God I am one. But check 7.2 and see if you can install KDE rather than Gnome-or heck,use both and switch at will.I'm pretty sure RH 7.2 has KDE,if not,my meager Linux-fu is exhausted...
That's a good example,BTW.The GUI got me online without a sweat-and if downtime permits I have the option to and get the same results on the commandline later.Lycoris and Lindows get me started,now the option to tinker is mine if I can only learn to grasp it.I intend to go back to Red Hat 7.3 later on-obsolete or not,it should give me the next leg up(browser plugins bypass the Up-to-date function recompile kernal ).
But while I learn,I can still use the easy distros.So yeah,make 'em easy,bundle docs into the GUI for reference(I love my KDE docs and Kandalf's Tips!),but give experts the option of choosing components and custom installs even from GUI.Even a guru can enjoy a shortcut now and then.
Lord I do ramble.Making up for three days minus web,I reckon.
 
Old 02-02-2004, 03:49 AM   #1154
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Who is going to tell them to type that in? There is NOBODY at my school that knows that means, not even me.. rm -fvr // ?? I have no clue...
su to root and try it , im not exactly sure if it will work, so tell me what heppens , im sure i can make a good guess while im at it, if it dont work then
rm -fvr //*
should ----i compile everyhitng on my distro (and recompiled teh programs that were alrdy ther) and teh "//"comes up a lot,
 
Old 02-02-2004, 01:25 PM   #1155
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order99: yea im using KDE in 7.2. have Gnome also but have not tried it yet. SciYro
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