...so back to what I have been saying over and over again, feeding it down everyone throats.. the easier we make linux the more people will get with linux, and then comes incentive for companies to make software and drivers for linux...

Uh well just because you don't trust them doesn;t mean anyone else doesn't or really even cares. Of course it will be on the shevles for a long time. People will use it, 90 some odd % of the market iwll still belong to MS and it will probably be just as popular as Windows XP. On top of that your discussing an OS that isn;t even out yet. its more important for linux to have more stuff out of the box because its really hard for brand new users to install a new program. In a windows enviroement all you need to do is double click an icon and then keep clicking next. So its less important for MS to have a bunch of stuff in their OS.

And as for the whole DRMS stuff in WMP that was not MS's fault thats the RIAA's fault and a court order to make MS do it. if you wanna whine about it then whine about the RIAA doing it not MS. MS was probably forced to do it through some update. And its not like they hid it discreetly the bloody privacy option window pops up as soon as you install the patch letting you know what its selecting and giving you the option to unselect it. What more do you want?

As for trust w/e I have nothing to hide and I doubt MS really cares what I do with my PC the only people who may care is the government and the RIAA as far as MS is concerned they really have no reason to care.

Anyways stop bashing windows we all udnerstand you don't like it but as I said before itsup to the end user. I use windows and use linux too (Well i did gentoo install still not working so I am trying to decide what to do about linux for now) but I do so because I want to. MS didn;t put a gun to my head. And yes MS preinstalls Windows on all PC's so thats what users are used to but uh what would yo ulike them to do? Install linux? Ok so lets say the postions were reversed Linux was the Mainstream OS (Which i can;t see happening despite how good of an OS linux is it has to grab a ton of market before that happens)and windows was the "linux" as far as OS's are concerned. Wel then people would be bashign linux instead. So that solves nothing.

GIve a person the option. great well that won't happen until we get a really easy to use OS. Its not that its just different Linux is harder to use. People like clicking things people do not like typing in a lto of commands to install something. Lindows is close but notice how a lot of linux users bash lindows? Besides of which most people will probably choose Windows. If they want to learn linux it is usually free....its just a matter of will power.

BTW freakygeek the whole christain thing I feel steps way over the line . I am cathloic but it really never bothers me anymore since I am used to people bashign religions now But someone else may take offense.

Well, don't waste your time here then :)

Start writing drivers, and easy installation routines
for the simple-minded.


Cheers,
Tink

omg this is still going?

Yep ... every few weeks someone digs up this
zombie...


Cheers,
Tink

maybe we could just switch the converstation to which came first the chicken or the egg. It would be just as futile. Or maybe Plain or peanut M&Ms...


Netizen

it doesn't matter whether linux is "easy" or "hard"... and i don't see that we get anywhere pontificating about being spoon fed or standing on your own two feet, etc.

at this time linux requires more of the user, and if the user doesn't want that, then go use windows. If you like to tinker, then use linux.

Fundamentally both OSes are great, the tools are there, and i'm happy using either. When i feel like having my hand held i use windows; when i feel frisky, i use linux.

they BOTH work for me... so why should i choose between them?

Now THAT's something to talk about. I love peanut M&Ms. They are definitely superior.

Windows dosn't hold you hand at all. It grabs it and hold's on to like a vise and you have to fight to get away from it. When you invest that much money into something you don't want to throw it away. Try change a 19" monitor to a 17" with different frequencies on XP. This type of hand holding nobody in their right mind wants.

Believe me if I was a programmer I would be doing that right now, but I am not a programmer, so I must admit I depend on the programmers for my drivers and software...

I am sure that the plain ones came first, though. I'll bow to it, if I am wrong.

I am not an expert or a profesional in computers but I've always have had one in my hands. my personal opinion is this.

I didn't dislike that much windows when it was based on DOS (3.X) the thing is that windows let you do less just as it becomes "better" since Win98 if you have some hardware that win recongnize as printer, but it really was a ethernet card, there was more dificult to "convince" win98 that it was not a printer that it have allways been a linux config.

I've just have posted a message that sad "is linux really that cool?" because of my frustration in not finding a operating system that really let me do my stuff freely and easy.
The answer is yes, linux is really that cool. I work with my Laptop like 12 hr a day, and within 2 years I needed to reformat and reinstal WINXP like 6 times. I've been working in Linux since last monday. and its great I can not monitor my battery yet, and I can not watch a DVD yet but besides that its great.

Another point to linux... Try to call tech support at Microsoft, or HP or Toshiba, at least in Mexico they suck! post a question in this forum or any other related to linux and you'll receive thousand answers telling you exatly what to do and who within 5 minutes.

Thanks to all.

RH9 install had everything I needed for this Advent 7900. (Ad-what?). Exactly. The CD full of Windows software that came with my hp-cdwriter makes a nice coaster. The only file I could use off the 10/100 Ethernet card disks was a readme. The quest for the winmodem driver aside installs are easier than Windows. apt goes. apt gets. apt doesn't ask for next next next next finish nooo don't reboo-damn. What could be easier? For gratification through suffering there is Gentoo the tailor-made distro. Windows frustration? Just say 'No to All'.

<<< The main thing that would make Linux easier to use is simplifying the installation of drivers. >>>

Not to mention 3rd party software. As has been mentioned, not Linux' fault. Of course, deb. rpm, urpmi, emerge, could have something to do with it. It would be great if a there was a universally recognised standard. Some of the major Distros are kinda going their own way. If software not specifically ported to that distro, either not fully implemented or other problems encountered. While this may be percieved as good for the distro, I don't think that it is good for the Linux community.

<<< Anyways stop bashing windows we all understand you don't like it >>>

We like MS. I do, anyway. I am just tired of being disappointed and frustrated when something which should be simple and straightforward becomes a god awful mess! I am also tired of paying for MSDOS, Win3.1, Win for workgroups, Win95, Win98, Win98SE, WinME, Win2K, WinXP and ending up with a system which will not let me easily do what I want and need to do, still riddled with un-addressed security issues, BSODs, and the entire box locking up tight as a drum. When do I get what I think I am paying for?