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I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
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Old 01-11-2004, 11:46 PM   #916
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Here is how I think of this.. Linux gives everyone their option to choose if they want to do things the easy way, or the hard way.. I mean people get on to me on here for useing the very easy to install RPMs and KDE with Fedora Core 1 which has to be one of the easiest Linux Distros..

Here is what I say, I am a very lazy person... with FC1 I get the stability of Linux, with the ease of Windows.. yes the ease of windows.. Windows was made in the first place for the home user, well that is what I am, a home user.. a geek, but still in many ways you average home user..

RPMs are easy, all I have to do is go to my terminal and type 'rpm -Uvh soandso.i686.rpm' and it installs the package.. or tells me what I need to go find online..

KDE give a modern ease to linux, with the Bluecurve look, it looks great, and it allows setting things up in FC1 very easy.. compared to having to use a terminal for EVERYTHING..

Should they make linux easier.. they are making linux easier..
 
Old 01-12-2004, 08:54 AM   #917
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I agree. Tht's the same with Mandrake 9.2. Easiest than Windows in some aspects. But if you are in trouble, you have the command line.

I wrote (in French) a small website (http://pottam.no-ip.info) showing the easy way to go from Windows to Linux, and everybody who has a brain, not only fingers gripped on a mouse, can use Linux now.

The lack of some commercial softwares (games and educational software) is one of the main reason why most users stay "glued" with Micro$oft. The other is the lack of curiosity and the power of big softwares companies.
 
Old 01-12-2004, 12:53 PM   #918
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I was just a Red Hat person.. so I went over to Fedora.. and i am stuck in the Red Hat/Fedora world and loving it..
 
Old 01-12-2004, 07:20 PM   #919
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Me love Linux... Er er er.. Unga Unga...
 
Old 01-12-2004, 07:35 PM   #920
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Don't we all love linux?
 
Old 01-12-2004, 07:53 PM   #921
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hi, my name is cory, and i'm a linux addict


-Linux Lovers Anonymous
 
Old 01-12-2004, 08:47 PM   #922
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hi, my name is cory, and i'm a linux addict


-Linux Lovers Anonymous
LOL.

My name is Tink, I've been using Linux for over
six years now. Ever since I just can't emotionally
handle computers with MS software.


Cheers,
Tink (PenguinHugger) :}
 
Old 01-12-2004, 09:53 PM   #923
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My name is bOrEo and I like to eat cheese curls while I read LQ forums.
 
Old 01-12-2004, 10:14 PM   #924
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That is great guys.. let our your feelings.. we are all together with this..
 
Old 01-13-2004, 04:23 AM   #925
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Man, I just can't believe this thread is still going on...
Now we got into some let-your-feelings-about-linux-arise-psychological-session-thread...
anyway...
eehh.. I'm frandalla, I've been using linux since 1999, but can call myself a real and serious linux user since 2001... And... I love linux... let's all of us love each other and let's us all love linux together...
(man... I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. Let's stop with this by now)

Last edited by frandalla; 01-13-2004 at 04:24 AM.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 11:38 AM   #926
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Re: good point

Quote:
Originally posted by perry
i agree, the biggest hurdle linux will have is the "average" end user.

microsoft seems to have always capitalized on the "average" user

"power" users on the other hand have had to tolerate microsoft propaganda but then appeared a champion who said enough is enough and then all the "power" users joined the new band wagon and now we have little to complain about (in comparison)

further, there is no real reason to use microsoft other than following their bandwagon. that is, if you like a system riff with spyware or the virus of the day

also, did you know, that as of last week, microsofts windowsupdate.com had to be switched to a linux server....

further, microsoft is considering a new marketing model similiar to that of AOL, that is "charge by the month."

i think that will be a mistake for them

cheers

- perry
Ok first i read up to page 15 and saw this and just had to respond. I've been trying to objectively read this topic and I feel I should respond too.

First why do you imply only "power" users should only use linux? You act like Windows is only for total average joe's. I consider myself a power user and I use Windows XP. Sure I may not be able to customize as much as linux but that doesn't make me a total computer dunce or "average" when it comes to computing. No offense to any linux power users out there but please don't speak for all computer power users.

Now that I sound like an arrogant prick I will say these points:
First what OS you use is totally up to you. everyone has its own pluses and minuses and Linux vs. Windows Debate will continue for years. Now if you want to argue about MS business practices unless you happen not to own anything from a mega company like say oh I don't know Intel I doubt you should complain about MS ways. Any major company out there has corrupt business practices. You can sit here and argue about MS's evil ways till your blue in the face but MS is certainly not the only one who does business like this. The capitalistic market is very brutal and corrupt you can;t get away from it and I don't think this is a good argument in favor for linux. BTW I am a capitalist and have no problem with the way things are done most of the time so I can be pretty heartless when it comes to business ethnics.

Second, I tired to use linux. I first tried red hat went great but couldn't install my nvidia drivers and all the replies on th eMB didn;t help me at all but people tried. I ended up ditching it to try out Mandrake. Well i didn't like mandrake as much as Redhat and the fact that when i installed my nvidia drivers the computer went kapoots didn;t make me happy either. (Which by the way there is no reason installing file sin linux should be so complicated yes I can install a program but I will be damned if I can get some short cuts to it where i want them) Finally I am trying to use Gentoo now after spending several motnhs on Red Hat. yes gentoo is probably harder but it is a good learning experience....except I can't get the bootlaoder to work nor the install and it corrupted my windows aprtiion despite I installed it on a seperate hard drive....oops.

But that doesn;t mean linux is bad I will keep trying and now i am hell bent on getting gentoo to work if its th last thing i do.

but in the mean time I still think MS Windows XP is a more superior OS. Frankly I have never had any crashes if I do its usually a driver issue and those are easily fixable but now that they are all ok and good to go the OS is very stable I have;t had a single crash in over 6 months. Linux I heard was stable which is why I switched to it because windows was having me issues (turned out it was the ram) but Opera kept crashing on me. And in fact I got the OS to lock up in Redhat a few times. And I wasn't doing anything but trying to browse the Internet.

For some reason its like you need to use Linux to be considered a computer guru and everyone else who is lesser uses Windows which I don't think is true.

Now linux is a great alternative OS if I could get it to work like I want and I think some things seem clunky but people are doing this for free basically out of love for the OS and so I don't think I have a right to demand anything but I think suggestions should always be welcomed. If someone wants to use Linux but finds it too hard well no need to knock on the guy. I haven;t seen any guru's here insult users because they have been using windows though so I don't know where people get this whole "lets keep linux for the elite only" thing comes from if that was true why do we have Redhat and Mandrake? i find people here very helpful for the most part. And i think gentoo has a lot of support for their linux too. Granted I haven;t gotten it to work yet but people on their support boards certainly tied their best to help. There is only so much one can ask for.

So I think that maybe we need a really n00b linux distro and the whole way of installing programs I feel definitely needs to be made easier. I doubt you would loose that much control by doing that if any. and yes the GUI needs some work too but hell its always work in progress you just need to be patient. Learning Linux is ideal but we don't live in an Ideal world. I have 2 hours a day to mess with my PC and honestly I really don't have time to read a 1000 page book. I've tried but it doesn;t happen too much other things to do.

So I have mixed feelings on this IMO drive rinstalls or any type of install in Linux is waaay too much of a big to do and the interface can be clunky but like I said linux is always evolving and you just need to be patient somethings may not change some things definitely will but just in the mean time try and learn as much as possible.

THe other thing I don't understand is this whole command line thing Guru's seem to insist everything should be done through here and its easier and newbies want a way to click their way through it. Well i don't see the problem with what the newbies want Are you really losing anything that way? I doubt it you just don't click and use the command line instead. And you always have distro's like Slackware that you can use and Newbies can use something like Mandrake....so i honestly don't see the issue when it comes to asking for linux to be made easier for the masses....Its not like you will have to change your ways too...

Anyways thats just a view from a MS Windows fan and a real big Linux Newbie who can't even install the thing right lol.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 12:53 PM   #927
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I have noticed that too... people thinking that power users cannot still use windows.. I use both windows and linux.. I would not mind getting rid of windows, but linux is still a working progress, and not as easy for me, even know I have been with it for over a year, with mostly Red Hat and now Fedora.

I can see where newbies have alot of problems, yet coming here really as helped for me. I guess since most of my hardware is supported very easily by redhat and by fedora. My video drivers came with Fedora for my ATI Rage card.

For MS windows Vs. Linux.. Windows is more meant for the average joe then linux.. Linux was made for power geeks by power geeks.. everyone has their own experience with OS's for me windows has been way more clunky the Linux.. I also still find that Mac OSX is the best OS ever made, and my dream machine is a G5..

Good luck with your linux experiences..
 
Old 01-13-2004, 06:16 PM   #928
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yes gentoo is probably harder but it is a good learning experience....except I can't get the bootlaoder to work nor the install and it corrupted my windows aprtiion despite I installed it on a seperate hard drive....oops.
When you find out the answer, will you post your results? That's my situation as well. 2 drives. Win on 1 Gentoo on 2. Bootloader sticks in 1st stage.

Then WRITE A FAQ!! This help is no where!
 
Old 01-13-2004, 06:39 PM   #929
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Will do yeah I have the same setup

Widnows on Partion 1 and Linux on aprtion 2
. Don't know hwy it doesn;t work sleect the WIndows Pariton from grub menu get bumped back to menu after seeign a blank screen hit linux and get slammed with an error 15. Peopel on the gentoo forums even posted what my .conf file should look like too bad it didn;t work
 
Old 01-13-2004, 08:17 PM   #930
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What bootloader are you using...
 
  


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