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I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
I'm an occassional user, I don't care either way. 222 13.19%
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Old 11-20-2003, 12:38 PM   #676
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
But fun quickly ended.
...
(Couple hours?)
...
Than I should chase Canon drivers and learn how to install.

I'm talking about typical home use machine to listen CD's, copying them, Internet, printing, some games, scanner and digital camera.
And I could bore you to death with horror-
stories of my attempts to install windows ...

stories of WEEKS wasted on that. For instance
4 years ago, a K6-400 machine with an Elsa
graphics card and dual VoodooII, an Elsa ISDN
card and TokenRing ... and installing windows98
on that thign was a NIGHTMARE. Linux (SuSE
back then) worked out of the box.

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These are basic and IMHO they should be as easy to operate as Win XP, for users to accept them.
I couldn't get the XP on my notebook to
accept my Linux server as a gateway for
IP (the only protocol in use), but it was
very friendly, offering me an assistant
that couldn't do diddly-squat and suggested
to go online (haha) ... after two days of
mucking around XP was gone for good,
Slackware 8.1 installed, up and running
within 45 minutes. It took me a few weeks
to find out that IBM had put a faulty ACPI
support into the box, and my system clock
wouldn't run properly until I had patched
Linux' ACPI ECDT tables to match the
f*ck-up (which was fixed by IBM a few weeks
later, btw) ....

Quote:
Peace…
Peace :) .... appparently we all have
our personal experiences, and they
seem to differ widely ;)

For me Linux works as it is, Windows
doesn't (never did, I had a beef with
EVERY single version since 2.0,
Windows 3.0 was the reason for
me to move to OS/2 :D )...
However, I don't go to any Windows
forums and rant about how bad it is
and demand they make it more like Linux.

And as for M$ support ... I don't really feel
like throwing more money at them just to
tell them how sucky they are...



Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:35 PM   #677
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Quote:
Originally posted by thefetus
Linux runs fine ONCE YOU SET IT UP. It just takes way too long to set up easy shit. I'm new and it took me over a day just to learn how to access my second hard drive. I'm new to linux, but I'm not an idiot with computers at all. It shouldn't have taken that long just to gain access to files on another hard drive.
I speak Spanish and Japanese fluently,
and then I went to France ... it took
me a week to rent a car! I'm not an idiot
with languages, it shouldn't have taken
that long...


Uh-huh.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:41 PM   #678
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Originally posted by xode
You can be certain that Tinkster will always take the last word with a nasty reply, including one to my posting here.
Heh ... what a nice thing to say :}

I bet you'd rather have had the last word ;)
However, I didn't manage to have "a last
word" in this thread in months, and I feel
quite certain I won't this time, either.

Quote:
It is as if he is driven to try to make you all hate Linux. Don't let Tinkster's bitterness and mean spiritedness here, and that of his rtfm/stfw ilk, discourage you from using and enjoying Linux.
You actually found me using these words?
I'd be surprised :) ... I believe that you made
up your mind just on this one thread, and
you keep picking on me personally just
because I happen to have a different opinion
from yours, and because you are unable to
prove me wrong with logic.


Quote:
I, myself, am getting answers and making headway, although the process is slower because of the rtfm/stfw ilk that I have run into.
The process is slower because you keep
waiting for others to serve you instead of doing
your homework yourself.

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Meanwhile, everyone can have their cake and eat it too. So what that Linux can't run all of those Windows programs. Linux can run Windows 9X/ME itself, using Win4Lin. So far, I have found that only a handful of Windows programs will not run under Win4Lin.
Try VMware ... lets you more or less run any
OS for wintel CPU's except for OS/2 ;)


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:46 PM   #679
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
I don't understand who authorized you to be in charge of free OS!

Who are you to demand ANYTHING from ANYBODY?
Exactly my point! Who are you to rant and rave? :)

And since it's free, and you have all the source
at your hands, stop wasting your and our time by
stating you'd like it done differently, and do the
changes you'd like to see...

And I've been preaching this since Mr Parrs
very early posts. And will continue to do so.



Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:50 PM   #680
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
"You can be certain that Tinkster will always take the last word with a nasty reply, including one to my posting here. It is as if he is driven to try to make you all hate Linux. Don't let Tinkster's bitterness and mean spiritedness here, and that of his rtfm/stfw ilk, discourage you from using and enjoying Linux."


I have some serious suspicions that on Linux groups M$ employees are disturbing them and trying to put bad light on Linux. M$ pays them for their ‘imput’!

Tinkster appear to be one of these ones.






LOL, Tinkster is really a Micr0$oft employee/spy/conspirator
Oh, and he is a programmer / sysadmin, so is everyone else that
calls in for tech support asking how to setup Outlook Express :P

I used to get those support calls all the time.
Employee: um I am MCSE and CNE certified, how do I screw
in a lightbulb

Just because you think you can manage a network, doesn’t mean you know
what you are doing. Basically he thinks everything M$ bad,
everything LNX good

Tinkster, from as much crap as you post on here and as much time as
you take to do it, no wonder you have hours and hours and hours to
be a slave to your OS. Whereas other people in this world just have the
OS there so they can focus on what really matters, the productivity
of the programs that run on the OS. Hmm… spend 5 hours looking
for a driver and recompiling or design a house? hmmm…. LOL

Go ahead and have the last word Tink…
…then do something productive!
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:51 PM   #681
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
... M$ employees are disturbing them and trying to put bad light on Linux...

Tinkster appear to be one of these ones.

;)


:)
LOL!

That was actually a really good one ;D

/me high-fives smcoptyltd



Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:52 PM   #682
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Tink reminds me of those old teachers that refused to give up their 8088
because they could make coffee while it booted :P
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:30 PM   #683
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Quote:
Originally posted by linuxgamer
LOL, Tinkster is really a Micr0$oft employee/spy/conspirator
Oh, and he is a programmer / sysadmin, so is everyone else that
calls in for tech support asking how to setup Outlook Express :P
If you happen to be clairvoyant you're
bloody pathetic at it :} ... actually I even
get money for supporting windows, too.
But I still don't like it.


Quote:
Just because you think you can manage a network, doesn’t mean you know
what you are doing. Basically he thinks everything M$ bad,
everything LNX good
Just because I get good money to do
what I do (and been getting that for
many many years) makes me believe that
I am quite good at what I'm doing, and
certainly that I know what I am doing.
And I'm measured by the outcome of
what I'm doing, too, not by what I believe
I know ;)

I personally don't like M$, I can't stand
their operating systems, not because I
can't make money of them, but because
I find them poorly designed. I never said
that Linux is the right tool for every job.
But then, that's not what this whole rant
of a thread that hasn't been kicked off
by me, either. It's about people who come
from a Windows-background and refuse to
learn how Linux works. Instead they hang
out on this forum and demand others to
make "their Linux" work like their Windows
did. I do appreciate that you can't see that,
either, since you seem to be a part of that
group.

[/quote]
Tinkster, from as much crap as you post on here and as much time as
you take to do it, no wonder you have hours and hours and hours to
be a slave to your OS. Whereas other people in this world just have the
OS there so they can focus on what really matters, the productivity
of the programs that run on the OS. Hmm… spend 5 hours looking
for a driver and recompiling or design a house? hmmm…. LOL
[/quote]
Thanks for your appreciation of my posts.
Feel free not to read them. I'm not a slave
to my OS ... Windows users are a slave to
their rodents. The "blinking zero" generation
strikes again. To dumb to set up their VCR,
to lazy to read the documentation on how
to set the time.
And again: why would I want to recompile
anything? I'm not a "Linuxgamer" who needs
to keep up with latest hardware trends, and
(as the fact that I'm still running 8.1) I don't see
a need to stay bleeding edge, either. I use
what works for me. Your clairvoyance failed,
again ... maybe you're just another troll?
And in both my personal and professional
experience Windows users spend way
more time/money installing/reinstalling/updating
(by whim or MS suggestion) than any
Linux user I personally know...


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:30 PM   #684
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This whole thing is getting really <I>really</I> funny. :-)
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:33 PM   #685
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Quote:
Originally posted by tmillard
This whole thing is getting really <I>really</I> funny. :-)
It was from the first day it was posted ;)

I never understood why the mods didn't
close this troll-cave of a thread after a
few days into it ... :}


/me , alias "Don Quixote" rides on ... :D


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:40 PM   #686
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those damn WindoZ users, I say killem all!!!
and their little dog toto
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:45 PM   #687
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Tink,,,,,,
We do agree on what you said about throwing money at M$, that is why I am trying to learn Linux, more for the stability (or so I have been told) than anything else. I have had the misfortune of totally killing a couple of puters in the early days. But I keep seeing this RTFM/STFM coming up in here all the time. What I need to know is where the F'n M is at. Is it the enclosed manual that comes with the OS, is it the set of manuals that you can get as after market, or is it on one of the cd's that come with the OS. If I can find that F'n manual I will surely read it. I hope it can help me out.
New subj: In reference to installation problems/woes installing Linux, I guess I was fortunate in that I have never had a real problem that crashed/froze up a machine installing the OS and I have done installs on RH 7.2, 7.3, 8.0 and 9.0 and Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0. Installed Mandrake 9.1 but it would only intall in text mode vice GUI mode, not sure why it is for a later time. But this thread is getting somewhat entertaining, sometimes.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 03:47 PM   #688
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What I need to know is where the F'n M is at.
http://www.tldp.org/

man pages

and UTFGoogle... just about every linux question I've ever wanted an answer to has been answered on the first two pages.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 05:21 PM   #689
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why not instead of making linux easier why not make programs to make learning linux easeir, like to open a terminal and enter generic commands that need only be modified to the user's need such as:
tar -xzf *your fiilename*
or something like that
just at thought
 
Old 11-20-2003, 05:29 PM   #690
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Tink...

At least you have a sense of humor.

Of course I was joking!

“And I could bore you to death with horror-
stories of my attempts to install windows ...

stories of WEEKS wasted on that. For instance
4 years ago, a K6-400 machine with an Elsa
graphics card and dual VoodooII, an Elsa ISDN
card and TokenRing ... and installing windows98
on that thign was a NIGHTMARE. Linux (SuSE
back then) worked out of the box."

I'm dealing with these problems every day. I'm searching for drivers every single day.

Couple examples. Matrox Millenium card drivers installed on fresh XP, right from the box, BSOD. (Blue Screen Of Death.)

Lately Winfast TV card in my own lovely machine the same problem. Drivers out of the box and BSOD.

I’ve never said that I love Windoze. Especially for the reason that I HAVE TO put that bloody sticker in the machine with serial number. If not, I’m breaking EULA!

Regards Linux, I'm not talking from my point of view as a user. That is not important. I'm able to learn it quickly as I have to learn every version of windoze and all their crap with it. Just last night I had a good laugh on one moron who gave me a call 10:00 PM why his machine switch off after 30 seconds being on the net.

He got MSblast!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

In one way I like it! Now I will have to fight with the virus and charge sucker for it. It's business for me!

But from a point of view installing Linux on clients machines I feel that Linux is definitely not OS for masses. Not yet.

From one point of view it would create a demand vor services.

But from other point of view, instead of paying to a technician for his service, most people will rather spend money on... Windoze.

I fully understand, that for sake of security and protection some things have to be that way and html in emails is a not very good idea.

But I seriously doubt that many people fully understand what’s the deal with Linux.
Why M$ have to go.

Linux means – no Big Brother is watching. It will be very hard on Linux. No spyware, no
back doors and the OS people want. Not OS where M$ telling where THEY want you to go. In view of globalization Windows would be perfect tool to control masses and search on computers for those who don’t agree with government.

Windows is an important part of it!

Linux would be a great protection of privacy and personal freedom.

That’s the main reason I’m lurking here.

IMHO a bit easier way of installing drivers and programs and we have it!

Peace...
 
  


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