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Old 11-19-2003, 06:43 PM   #661
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Quote:
Originally posted by linuxgamer
omg, now I know who I am dealing with

Um, when I mentioned games, it wasn't for playing, the new games
test the limits of your system much like high end graphics rendering programs
do such as AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max, Maya and many more.

Basically, you use Linux as a glorified word processor :P

I use Windows as a commercial tool.
I also use Linux as a commercial tool.

When you knock either OS, you are doing nothing more than
talking out of your a$$ because you don't know the extensive capabilities
of either. In this world and day/age, you need both.

The point is, both OS's could learn from each other.
(figuratively speaking)
When I say this I am speaking mostly towards the GUI
aspect.

I prefer the stability and security of Linux, but also enjoy
the immense software applications made for XP Pro.
Well said.
 
Old 11-19-2003, 07:39 PM   #662
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Quote:
Originally posted by linuxgamer
omg, now I know who I am dealing with
Is that right :)

Quote:
Basically, you use Linux as a glorified word processor :P
How would you know?

I'm a programmer and system administrator,
and use Linux primarily for tasks related
to this, as well as my day-2-day computing
needs...

I use Linux as what it is: one of the most
powerful & free Unix-clones available.


Quote:
I use Windows as a commercial tool.
I also use Linux as a commercial tool.
Amazing.

Quote:
I prefer the stability and security of Linux, but also enjoy
the immense software applications made for XP Pro.
And again barking up the wrong tree ...
it's not Linux' fault that "Such and such"
or "So and so" didn't bother to write a
Linux port. And its not MickySleuth$ merrit
that they did, either. If you want to see
your favourite application on Linux,
go nag the ones who code it.
 
Old 11-19-2003, 07:43 PM   #663
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
Another point.

Why the subject "Make Linux easier for the general population! Please."
has 660 posts here?

Tink... Ever thought about that!? :P
And then count the pro/con ones and
sort unique by author.

Quote:
Congratulation!
I would never though of that! :)
I know - that's why I told you.

Quote:
So u r watching porn on Linux. That's all!
I appreciate that you assume others would
have the same habbits that you have... however,
I didn't have a single porn DVD in my hands,
not to speak in my house, in my life.

Quote:
FYI, if I watch anything on my machine with Win XP, is 32 bit and looks pretty.
Good for you ... sticky, errrh, stick with it.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-19-2003, 10:10 PM   #664
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Installed Mandrake 9.2 in 15 minutes.

That was a fun!

But fun quickly ended.

While I had sound and not bad generic driver for NVIDIA card, mandrake detected ALCATEL modem but directed me to some location for a driver.

Detected Canon S200 but I have to d/load from somewhere driver.

Detected my TV card but I never saw program for Linux!

I put CD-Audio to play. Double clicked on CD ROM icon. Nope! No joy!

Put Mandrake CD in it. It read the contents. So some joy here.

Played 20 more minutes and, honestly, if I want BADLY to use Linux, I'm fully capable to do so. No problems. But sell it to the public?

Firstly I should get NVIDIA drivers and learn how to install the beast.

(Couple hours?)

Than I should chase Canon drivers and learn how to install.

Than my TV card would still not work.

Now... what will happen if customer wants buy a scanner? Printer?
Digital camera? Who will teach him how to get/install these drivers and programs?

I'm not talking about the ultimate games or business machine.

I'm talking about typical home use machine to listen CD's, copying them, Internet, printing, some games, scanner and digital camera.

These are basic and IMHO they should be as easy to operate as Win XP, for users to accept them.

The price for Linux should be the only factor, which will push people to use it.

Even if Linux would be on every government machine, people at homes will still prefer to use Windoze. Because installations are much easier than in Linux.

So far… it’s too far behind with these.

Maybe would be a good idea to make one site (On Mandrake.) with all right drivers to d/load and these drivers would have to have auto scripts executed from a mouse click
And they would install or uninstall perfectly by the touch of the button.

That would be a good start I think.

Maybe I would go to Mandrake page first, d/load all needed drivers and utilities I need, knowing what I have in my machine while I’m still in Win XP, and than install Mandrake and THAN use these drivers!?

Peace…
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:27 AM   #665
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So, you see, smcop, this is the kind of attitude we don't need.

It's not like people need more linux. It's more like linux need more people. And it will not get it, with gurus like this.
smcoptyltd, linuxgamer, bruno buys, JZL240I-U, chii-chan, ...

You can be certain that Tinkster will always take the last word with a nasty reply, including one to my posting here. It is as if he is driven to try to make you all hate Linux. Don't let Tinkster's bitterness and mean spiritedness here, and that of his rtfm/stfw ilk, discourage you from using and enjoying Linux. There are enough gurus (for example, the moderators on this board) that don't have this attitude that you can get your questions answered and your ideas addressed.

I, myself, am getting answers and making headway, although the process is slower because of the rtfm/stfw ilk that I have run into. Meanwhile, everyone can have their cake and eat it too. So what that Linux can't run all of those Windows programs. Linux can run Windows 9X/ME itself, using Win4Lin. So far, I have found that only a handful of Windows programs will not run under Win4Lin. And the RPM system under Linux is far cleaner than Windows install programs and is just about as easy to use. So, all the RPM system now needs is a much wider base of client programs, which is happening. And, I need to know how to take an executable program that I created and turn it into an RPM. Then, I will have a full fledged development environment under Linux all ready to go, where I can make my own programs and where all of the basic window operations are already built into my program before I even start working on it, something that is much harder to do and that I never had in Windows.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 04:59 AM   #666
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I can't believe that this thread is till going and that there are 45 pages of people whining about Linux... I guess some people just don't get it.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 05:32 AM   #667
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"You can be certain that Tinkster will always take the last word with a nasty reply, including one to my posting here. It is as if he is driven to try to make you all hate Linux. Don't let Tinkster's bitterness and mean spiritedness here, and that of his rtfm/stfw ilk, discourage you from using and enjoying Linux."


I have some serious suspicions that on Linux groups M$ employees are disturbing them and trying to put bad light on Linux. M$ pays them for their ‘imput’!

Tinkster appear to be one of these ones.






 
Old 11-20-2003, 06:25 AM   #668
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
"You can be certain that Tinkster will always take the last word with a nasty reply, including one to my posting here. It is as if he is driven to try to make you all hate Linux. Don't let Tinkster's bitterness and mean spiritedness here, and that of his rtfm/stfw ilk, discourage you from using and enjoying Linux."

I have some serious suspicions that on Linux groups M$ employees are disturbing them and trying to put bad light on Linux. M$ pays them for their ‘imput’!

Tinkster appear to be one of these ones.



well if Tinkster is a M$ employee employed to spend all day duping prespective Linux newbies then you'll have to call him a double-agent

everytime he's anwered my queries, he has either been right on the button with just what to do to correct or tweak Linux or very very lienient in allowing an individuals in expressing their opinion (as is the case in General/"Linux is the way" thread).

- perry
 
Old 11-20-2003, 06:29 AM   #669
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Quote:
Originally posted by smcoptyltd
Installed Mandrake 9.2 in 15 minutes.

That was a fun!

But fun quickly ended.

While I had sound and not bad generic driver for NVIDIA card, mandrake detected ALCATEL modem but directed me to some location for a driver.

Peace…
i like sooo pity you with trying to mix linux with nVidia. everytime i see those two nouns mentioned in the same sentence there's always trouble. how come linux works with just about every other mainstream video card but not nVida. maybe because nVidia is nearing bankruptcy, who knows.

but for $25 - $50 bucks you can go out an pick up last years ATI Radeon card and never look back. and i'd sstrongly recommend that, coming from someone who forked out $400 US for the latest and greatest Hercules 64MB card only to do just as what i recommended. the year old 32MB ATI card kicked it's ass!

- perry

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Old 11-20-2003, 08:28 AM   #670
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Originally posted by xode smcoptyltd, linuxgamer, bruno buys, JZL240I-U, chii-chan, ... You can be certain that Tinkster will always take the last word with a nasty reply ... Don't let Tinkster's bitterness and mean spiritedness here, and that of his rtfm/stfw...
I'm not exactly new here. Thus I have to state that in all my dealings with Tinkster I never felt that (s)he aimed at having the last word or giving a nasty reply, ever. Extreme brevity notwithstanding her/his posts usually come with a succinct statement and a to the point URL both usually helpful in and of themselves. (I admit, that I am sometimes a little dense, when it comes to searching.)

Quote:
Originally posted by xode ... am getting answers and making headway, although the process is slower because of the rtfm/stfw ilk that I have run into. ...
I never saw a post of Tinkster containing exclusively rtfm/stfw (if it was contained at all -- don't remember, but I doubt it). STFW I learned from you . Thanks for any new knowledge.

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Originally posted by xode ... And, I need to know how to take an executable program that I created and turn it into an RPM. Then, I will have a full fledged development environment under Linux all ready to go, where I can make my own programs and where all of the basic window operations are already built into my program before I even start working on it, something that is much harder to do and that I never had in Windows.
You obviously don't follow links. Pity. Here is what you have been looking for all the time then: checkinstall. You might have had it earlier, I'm sure I posted it in this thread and Tinkster does so all over the board ... Why don't you just accept that we all are individuals and thus different personalities and leave it at that.

I'm quite sure that personal education is a low priority on these boards .

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Old 11-20-2003, 08:31 AM   #671
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Linux runs fine ONCE YOU SET IT UP. It just takes way too long to set up easy shit. I'm new and it took me over a day just to learn how to access my second hard drive. I'm new to linux, but I'm not an idiot with computers at all. It shouldn't have taken that long just to gain access to files on another hard drive.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 08:51 AM   #672
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I don't understand why people like smcoptyltd, xode and all the other people slagging off tinkster bother with Linux in the first place. They keep comparing Linux to Microsoft products and then whining. No one forces you to install Linux! It is an OS for people who want to get their hands dirty, for people who have an enquiring mind and are prepared to wrestle with hardware/code issues. If you want to be spoon-fed and are not prepared to use your minds to get Linux to do what you want then you are free to go elsewhere. Grow up and stop whining.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 09:36 AM   #673
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"I don't understand why people like smcoptyltd, xode and all the other people slagging off tinkster bother with Linux in the first place. They keep comparing Linux to Microsoft products and then whining. No one forces you to install Linux! It is an OS for people who want to get their hands dirty, for people who have an enquiring mind and are prepared to wrestle with hardware/code issues. If you want to be spoon-fed and are not prepared to use your minds to get Linux to do what you want then you are free to go elsewhere. Grow up and stop whining."

I don't understand who authorized you to be in charge of free OS!

Who are you to demand ANYTHING from ANYBODY?

Did you designed Linux and had certain path in line for it?

We have few OS's and these are compared to each other regards functionality, way of setting up and way of using them.

Observing how Linux is going, the goal is to make it user friendly, stable and easy to use and setup. That’s the path.

So... it is to the contrary to your demands and views, you are trying to impose on others.

If you want to be a hero, go back to earlier versions where only typed commands were used.



In your opinion and fortunately very few others “It is an OS for people who want to get their hands dirty.” For now – yes but not for very long.

Majority of Linux developers are trying very hard to make it user friendlier than bloody Windoze.

You are trying to keep it as elite’ OS?

OS for ‘smart asses’?

I hope it will not work for you.

This thread has 672 posts and was read more than 17000 times!

The most popular thread on this forum!

That is telling you and others like Tinkster what people want and what they are expecting from OS.


To be just OS and to serve the man, not the man to serve OS.

Because most of us want it that way, it will happen. Sooner or later, regardless you are for it or against it.

That’s what I would call - the true face of democracy. Total opposite against monopoly of M$.

Linux is not only just an operating system.

Its people’ dream of freedom, true democracy and true technical unrestricted progress for benefit of masses.

Such dream M$ is trying hard to kill!

Think about it !!!

Peace…
 
Old 11-20-2003, 10:55 AM   #674
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Hate to burst your bubble smcoptyltd, but this thread has a large number of views and replies only because it's turned into a slanging match. It's still nothing more than the views of a relatively insignificant number of people, which, whilst quite entertaining, in no way reflects the position of the linux community.

Linux requires a little bit of hard work - there's no escape from that. But the up-side of that is it's an OS where anyone can get into its guts and hack. The more user-friendly you make Linux (or any OS for that matter), the more you wrap its core operations in layer upon layer of code. It becomes slick and easy, sure, but it becomes sterile and distant at the same time - in short, it becomes Windows.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 11:17 AM   #675
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Originally posted by xode ... And, I need to know how to take an executable program that I created and turn it into an RPM. Then, I will have a full fledged development environment under Linux all ready to go, where I can make my own programs and where all of the basic window operations are already built into my program before I even start working on it, something that is much harder to do and that I never had in Windows.
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You obviously don't follow links. Pity. Here is what you have been looking for all the time then: checkinstall. You might have had it earlier, I'm sure I posted it in this thread and Tinkster does so all over the board ... Why don't you just accept that we all are individuals and thus different personalities and leave it at that.
Actually, I have my sights already on rpmbuild. I did look at checkinstall and it does things that I neither need nor want. What I really need to know is the format of an RPM spec file so that I can get rpmbuild to make an RPM for me. Anyways, this is getting exciting...and don't ruin my fun...
 
  


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