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Old 11-10-2003, 09:06 PM   #541
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To me, Mandrake 9 was NOTHING like any Windows install I ever seen. Even XP was ten times harder to install. Mandrake just guides you through everything that is needed, and after the install, there's no question about it, it's ready for you. Are you ready for it? (It ain't hard to use neither!)

Just for the record, I'm now bad to boot up a Mandrake installation, go to where it partitions the hard disk, lay out my partition, write it to disk, and then as soon as it show the package menu (next screen), I cut it off, install Windows, and then come back and install Mandrake in full.

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Old 11-11-2003, 10:15 AM   #542
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Cool lectraplayer, thanks for the tip!
 
Old 11-11-2003, 11:34 AM   #543
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Originally posted by xode
However, many of those appear to be items that have slipped through the cracks. Given the current effort put forth so far, if the right people were made aware of those hard to do items, those people would proceed to make those items easy to do. Unfortunately, I don't know those right people.
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Maybe if you taled about those things here

Cheers,
Tink
Ok, let's begin with how to download program sources from the internet, compile them and install them into Linux. As an example, let's take Blockout, a 3d tetris game. I found the website, downloaded the .gz compressed file, uncompressed the contents (program sources, make files and all) and put them into their own working subdirectory. Then I ran make from a bash terminal on the uncompressed source as per instructions. The make program aborted with the error: "you need to set the KDEDIR and QTDIR environment variables." I guessed the command to set those variables to be "set" and used that to at least make those variables appear to be set when the environment was listed. However, none of this had any effect (make still aborts with the error), even when running the terminal as root. So, maybe that is not the proper command. What comes next?
 
Old 11-11-2003, 11:45 AM   #544
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Linux is not delibratly made to be hard !
you cant just, make it easyer.

if you want controll over your pc, then you have to know how it works !

if you want to use linux, but dont want to learn how it works, then just do a default install, with default options, and dont go asking questions like, igh, ive beed tryng for a whole hour and still cant recompile my kernel...

cos yeah, thats gonna be hard, if its hard under linux, then you probably dont even have the option to do it under windows.

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The make program aborted with the error: "you need to set the KDEDIR and QTDIR environment variables." I guessed the command to set those variables to be "set" and used that to at least make those variables appear to be set when the environment was listed. However, none of this had any effect (make still aborts with the error), even when running the terminal as root. So, maybe that is not the proper command. What comes next?

im sorry.... but YOU GUESSED.... and your complaining its hard.... you didnt even try... u guessed.

go to google and search for a tutorial on bash, and setting variables...
it dont take more than 10 mins to find out you would need to edit the makefile
to have a KDEDIR=/the/kde/path
and QTDIR=/the/qt/path
 
Old 11-11-2003, 02:25 PM   #545
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xode, I am guessing you are using SuSE 8.2? I had the same problem, as SuSE didn't set theses variables.

This link solved it for me.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache...n&ie=UTF-8</a>

On that note, if you do find a solution to a problem, make a note of it. I have a HOWTO folder on my desktop, when I found that page, I saved it as KDEDIR&QTDIR in the howto folder, so when someone has the same problem, I can help.

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Old 11-11-2003, 02:33 PM   #546
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Linux is not delibratly made to be hard !
you cant just, make it easyer.

if you want controll over your pc, then you have to know how it works !

if you want to use linux, but dont want to learn how it works, then just do a default install, with default options, and dont go asking questions like, igh, ive beed tryng for a whole hour and still cant recompile my kernel...

cos yeah, thats gonna be hard, if its hard under linux, then you probably dont even have the option to do it under windows.

...

im sorry.... but YOU GUESSED.... and your complaining its hard.... you didnt even try... u guessed.

go to google and search for a tutorial on bash, and setting variables...
it dont take more than 10 mins to find out...
qwijibow,

None of the above is necessary and all of the above is: (1) rude; (2) disrespectful; (3) arrogant; (4) an eager anticipation of wanting to play God and get a sexual high out of exerting raw power over other people by making them squirm in some form of distress or another. By the way, the horse manure of RTFM and STFW is in the same class as the nonsense above.

You could have limited your response to:

Quote:
you would need to edit the makefile
to have a KDEDIR=/the/kde/path
and QTDIR=/the/qt/path
...with maybe a courteous reference that you can find more information about that on google and such, which is the real answer that I would have been looking for. That would have told me that I needed to tell the makefile, instead of Linux, what the KDEDIR and the QTDIR is.

There is nothing stupid, foolish, lazy, etc. in not automatically knowing what is creating the problem you are facing, believing that something else instead is creating the problem, trying to fix the problem and not succeeding, and asking for assistance or pointers as a result. None of this warrants a response like yours. In truth, it is attitudes like yours here that makes things in general, and not just Linux, hard to learn and what is the biggest turn off to new people learning Linux. When I ask questions, I expect courteous answers and not malicious and mindless psychobabble and mind games such as your trash I quoted above.
 
Old 11-11-2003, 02:57 PM   #547
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xode, I am guessing you are using SuSE 8.2? I had the same problem, as SuSE didn't set theses variables.
Actually, I'm using Mandrake 9.0. Interesting that that similarity exists between SuSE and Mandrake. Maybe others exist also, meaning that any solutions that I find for Mandrake might also work for SuSE...

By the way, I could just see some arrogant user, with the attitude that they are God and that they are entitled to make you miserable for it, throwing "RTFM," "STFW," etc. back to you here because you "didn't research properly and see 'Distribution: Mandrake 9.0' in the left hand column" before stating the quote above. The only reason that I brought this up here is because one such user (qwijibow) just threw such trash at me, instead of giving me a simple courteous response like yours here, and I am so... sick of it...

Quote:
On that note, if you do find a solution to a problem, make a note of it.
I keep a special folder under /root for exactly that purpose, if, for no other reason than to tell me what I need to do after the initial install when, and if, I need to reinstall Linux.
 
Old 11-11-2003, 05:17 PM   #548
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All im saying is... well, you didnt ask for help, you didnt read the manual, you didnt search for an answer, or lookup the error message meaning.. you just guessed.
and you cant go bashing linux just cos a guess didnt work


and as for
1) rude: sorry..... if pointing out your mistakes is rude, but how else will you learn ?
2) disrescectful: sorry.... but guessing is not a respectable solution.
3) arrogant: sorry, but if by correcting a mistake i am arrogent, arnt we all guilty ?
4) QUOTE: an eager anticipation of wanting to play God and get a sexual high out of exerting raw power over other people by making them squirm in some form of distress or another. By the way, the horse manure of RTFM and STFW is in the same class as the nonsense above.

QUOTE:By the way, I could just see some arrogant user, with the attitude that they are God and that they are entitled to make you miserable for it, throwing "RTFM," "STFW," etc. back to you here because you "didn't research properly and see 'Distribution: Mandrake 9.0' in the left hand column" before stating the quote above. The only reason that I brought this up here is because one such user (qwijibow) just threw such trash at me, instead of giving me a simple courteous response like yours here, and I am so... sick of it...

whats RTFM STFW ?

anyway...... if thats how you react to
(guessing aint gonna work dude)

id hate to see what you would do if i dared correct a spelling mistake

im gonna let you little volitile emotional outbust go, cos this is a good forum, and we font need it degenerating into a load of insults been thrown by. well, i neeed not say more.

yours truely....
GOD
 
Old 11-11-2003, 05:53 PM   #549
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A lot of what _I_ see happen on these forums is the younger crowd try to use Linux. To use it for daily living they have to play games like Counter-Strike, what does this take? _Wine_.
What ends up happening is these people use Linux for a day or two and manage to get Wine installed and setup in a hurried attempt to get back into their none stop game playing life style, without learning how to use Linux. They then run into simple problems that are only there because they're trying to use a program that
A) isn't finished yet
B) isn't meant to be used for games
C) requires some knowledge of Linux to use.
Actually, there is a better alternative other than Wine out there which might work for these people, namely Win4Lin. However, the program costs and is not GPL.

Win4Lin will allow you to run the Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows ME operating systems under Linux as if they were simple Linux applications. Considering that I use it myself, I know that Win4Lin will allow you to run Windows 95 and allow you to run under that Windows 95 installation: Microsoft Word, Chessmaster 5000, Windows Media Player, and many other programs that I would normally use under Windows. It even supports MSDOS mode. In general, a program either runs correctly under Win4Lin or simply doesn't run. The only things that haven't run are: Drivespace, which I don't need since Win4Lin provides a much better alternative; MSDOS protected mode programs, for which I am looking for Linux equivalents; and the old MSDOS VGA graphics mode games, again for which I am looking for Linux replacements. Win4Lin even gives you something that you would never get with a plain Windows installation: directory links in the Windows file structure. When Windows is installed under Win4Lin, the Windows drives are mapped to various pieces of the Linux file structure. Just like anywhere else in Linux, you can set up links to directories elsewhere and Win4Lin makes it so that the Windows running under it sees those links as if they were regular Windows subdirectories.

Go to
http://www.netraverse.com for details.
 
Old 11-11-2003, 06:22 PM   #550
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and you cant go bashing linux just cos a guess didnt work
Who said that I am bashing anything? That is a false assumption on your part. I simply stated in a logical manner: (1) the problem that I found and how I came across it; (2) what I thought to be the cause of the problem; (3) the attempts that I made to fix the problem and that didn't work; and (4) my requests for assistance, without being disrespected as a person in the process of course.

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whats RTFM STFW ?
RTFM --> Read The F**ck**g Manual
STFW --> Search The F**ck**g Web

...two totally disgusting and totally unnecessary terms from what I can see.

Quote:
From qwijibow

yours truely....
GOD
Another unnecessary jab of disrespect at me.

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im gonna let you little volitile emotional outbust go...

cos this is a good forum, and we font need it degenerating into a load of insults been thrown by. well, i neeed not say more.
Who said that I am being emotional? I really haven't gotten there, yet, even with me taking your disrespect of me to task. Anyways, your quote immediately above is a good idea. Perhaps, while you are at it, you can, from this point on, give simple, logical, helpful and positive responses to simple, logical requests for assistance, such as the response in this thread that I received from unholy.
 
Old 11-11-2003, 07:48 PM   #551
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"yours turely... god"
aww cummon,
i was being ironic

and as far as jabs go, i never surgested any1 on this forum got sexual highs of posting answers :P

hey.... smile...
this aint nothing to get worked up about.
like i said before..... im sorry you mis-understood my critosism as a personal attack,
but there reeealy is no need to retaliate, that never help forums.

 
Old 11-11-2003, 08:07 PM   #552
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"yours turely... god"
aww cummon,
i was being ironic
Ok, then... could you please assist me with the problem below (and I did search google for KDEDIR and QTDIR and found nothing that would cast light on a solution to the problem below)

After having uncompressed the Blockout source files to their own subdirectory and having added the following to the makefile:

KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde3
QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3

In a terminal shell, the following happens:

[xode@localhost BlockOut]$ ls -al
total 240
drwxrwxr-x 4 xode xode 4096 Nov 11 16:55 ./
drwxrwxr-x 7 xode xode 4096 Nov 11 15:00 ../
-rwxr-xr-x 1 xode xode 94838 Nov 11 15:00 BlockOut*
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 4624 Nov 11 15:00 BlockOut.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 950 Nov 11 15:00 BlockOut.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 7624 Nov 11 15:00 BlockOut.kdoc
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2054 Nov 11 15:00 BlockOut.moc
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1736 Nov 11 15:00 CubeContainer.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2107 Nov 11 15:00 CubeContainer.h
drwxrwxr-x 2 xode xode 4096 Nov 11 15:00 doc/
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 4743 Nov 11 15:00 Draw3D.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 6270 Nov 11 15:00 Draw3D.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2111 Nov 11 15:00 Figure.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1179 Nov 11 15:00 Figure.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 5287 Nov 11 15:00 GameViewWidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1580 Nov 11 15:00 GameViewWidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2728 Nov 11 15:00 GameViewWidget.moc
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1420 Nov 11 16:55 Makefile
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 9950 Nov 11 15:00 Obstacle.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2629 Nov 11 15:00 Obstacle.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 6069 Nov 11 15:00 PerformGamePlay.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2083 Nov 11 15:00 PerformGamePlay.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 2679 Nov 11 15:00 QtDraw3D.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1444 Nov 11 15:00 QtDraw3D.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1736 Nov 11 15:00 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 1057 Nov 11 15:00 Settings.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 xode xode 578 Nov 11 15:00 Settings.h
drwxrwxr-x 5 xode xode 4096 Nov 11 15:00 share/
[xode@localhost BlockOut]$ make
g++ -I/usr/lib/qt3/include -I/usr/lib/kde3/include -Wall -pipe -c Draw3D.cpp -o Draw3D.o
In file included from Draw3D.cpp:1:
Draw3D.h:200:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
g++ -I/usr/lib/qt3/include -I/usr/lib/kde3/include -Wall -pipe -c Figure.cpp -o Figure.o
In file included from CubeContainer.h:6,
from Figure.h:6,
from Figure.cpp:1:
Draw3D.h:200:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
In file included from Figure.h:6,
from Figure.cpp:1:
CubeContainer.h:75:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
In file included from Figure.cpp:1:
Figure.h:48:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
g++ -I/usr/lib/qt3/include -I/usr/lib/kde3/include -Wall -pipe -c Obstacle.cpp -o Obstacle.o
In file included from CubeContainer.h:6,
from Figure.h:6,
from Obstacle.h:6,
from Obstacle.cpp:1:
Draw3D.h:200:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
In file included from Figure.h:6,
from Obstacle.h:6,
from Obstacle.cpp:1:
CubeContainer.h:75:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
In file included from Obstacle.h:6,
from Obstacle.cpp:1:
Figure.h:48:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
In file included from Obstacle.cpp:1:
Obstacle.h:92: ISO C++ forbids initialization of member `Left'
Obstacle.h:92: making `Left' static
Obstacle.h:92: ISO C++ forbids initialization of member `Right'
Obstacle.h:92: making `Right' static
Obstacle.h:92: ISO C++ forbids initialization of member `Front'
Obstacle.h:92: making `Front' static
Obstacle.h:92: ISO C++ forbids initialization of member `Back'
Obstacle.h:92: making `Back' static
Obstacle.h:92: ISO C++ forbids initialization of member `Top'
Obstacle.h:92: making `Top' static
In file included from Obstacle.cpp:1:
Obstacle.h:104:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive
make: *** [Obstacle.o] Error 1
[xode@localhost BlockOut]$

Of course, the program fails to compile. What is happening here? What is required to fix this problem?
 
Old 11-11-2003, 08:51 PM   #553
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from looking at thet output, all i can make out is there seems to be a compile error.
(the type i dont like)

but i cant speculate as to why it will not compile without the source files...
what program are you truing to install, post a link, ill download it myself and have a look.
 
Old 11-11-2003, 08:52 PM   #554
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or post lines 90 to 110 of the obsticle.h file, id like to see what these so called extra tokens are.
 
Old 11-11-2003, 09:30 PM   #555
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Cool lectraplayer, thanks for the tip!
I'm still kinda a rookie, so I sometimes think of this kinda stuff.

Lemme reprase that, I'm well experienced with Windows (and how bad it sucks) but still fairly new at Linux.

Making shortcuts can be made easier. ...and way better documentation. The docs of Linux remind me of a Windows Explination press confrence--long, meaningless, technical, and guaronteed to be inaccurate for your case. It does, however help at times, so it's gotta be better than the press confrence.

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