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View Poll Results: Do you want a Linux with an Interview Style Install and Setup?
I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
I'm an occassional user, I don't care either way. 222 13.19%
I'm an experience/hardcore user and I don't need it to be any easier. I am happy with it the way it is. 555 32.98%
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Old 11-05-2003, 04:57 PM   #526
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Quote:
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But the problem remains: if, during installation, I set my keyboard to portuguese layout (PT) why do I still can't use many keys from it? This is an example of a very, very simple problem and forgive me, but I think it's an OS problem not to turn this sort of stuff into a more easy way... I could go on and on with more and more examples but my point is: there are many things that a user just could do by making a simple choice (and this doesn't mean that one doesn't want to think!!!)... now, if someone wants to go further, let him/her make the changes that would fit his/her needs!
I'm certainly not an expert on portugese keyboards,
but is there i.e. a dfference between pt_PT and pt_BR?

And which keys do not do what they should?

Is it a problem in console, or in X?
If it is in X, is the keyboard extension, by any
chance, set to _intl? In this case you might
have problems with ', " and so on... that's not
an OS problem, though, it's wrong configuration.

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Old 11-06-2003, 04:01 PM   #527
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keyboard config

Oh, I see!
That's what I tried to say earlier, I mean,I just read many info about config but couldn't get such help! So there's some file I need to edit, is that it? Because I'm not sure, right now, if it is an OS problem, like you said...

Portuguese_PT and portuguese_BR have some differences but they also share a lot of special characters like ç, ~, ^, these don't work, both on console and when I use office apps (like KOffice) - and as in Portugal we have Euro now, I don't know how to get € - on windows I used AltGr+E - to work (but I must say I didn't look too much for this how to, that's true).

But I understood that I can set some special keys in order to be able to have this symbol, isn't it?

About setting the keyboard to _intl, how and where can I do that configuration, please?

Cheers,
Zeca
 
Old 11-07-2003, 10:46 AM   #528
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Good initiative

I'm glad for the poll and even more for its results so far.

I personally voted for the first option but I'd like to note that you left no option for the not-so-newbie (or the experienced) user that would still like more user-friendly stuffs; nor to the newbie who does not want a friendly linux ;-)

I'm not an expert in gnu/linux but I'm certainly not a newbie. I am also a former windows user (although I still use it at work, can't do nothing about it except looking for another job) and sometimes I need to go under the hood to achieve what I want in linux, and I understand that not everyone is able or willing to do this, so it's important for linux to be user friendly, to gain more adepts and fans.

For instance, I still have windows at home for the rest of my family, even though mandrake 9.2 it's great with newbies. I'm working on it. I plan to have a small banner on the door:
This house is Linux-based, no propietary code allowed.

Or perhaps:
Parking for gnu/linux users only. All other will be towed.
(Windows users won't get their car back)


 
Old 11-08-2003, 06:41 AM   #529
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Question Har Har Har ... what was my bug again

Hi, I was trying to get my modem working, and I have a problem.....................................................................
I followed this forum, and tried the "rm -rf /" command, and now I'm shot!

This has to be the best post I've ever read in a help forum. I came in here after spending a week of no sleep and shrugged-off reality, and now I've completely forgotten what I came in here for.
"Get a Mac" << Haha, what do I need a mac for, my mouse has two buttons :>

Seriously tho, I did linux years ago, and like someone said earlier 'ran back to windows with my tail between my legs'. But, Gnome is cool, I can live with Gnome. Really, I love a command-line, I learned computers from tinkering in debug back when I was 12 or so, and doing batch files and stuff. Linux would have been killr on a Tandy.

I love linux so far, it's hard to get some of the glitchies out of the way, but I love console power. I love PageUp at a prompt, rather that copy con /p over and over, 4 suur. Or hitting pause alot, trying to time it cause you know you can't read that stuff as it screams by that fast! And Gnome terminals seem more powerful than a Dos term on WinXX.
Nah, I've done Win admin for a few years, and MsWinXX sux when it comes to compatibility just as much as linux. I think the diffr'nce might be that noone in Linux *wants* to make things uncompat, there's no kind of profit margin like there is in MS world. Honestly, I think Dos worked so good that Gates started talkin' that poor talk and had to generate some $300/hr support calls from somewhere. I worked in Process Control, I know the difference between Windows and Linux as far as compatibility. And someone said it earlier and was right, there's alot of different distroes out there for Linux. But the prob. with windows is, the distroes honestly try to be incompatible. It's a scheme, a money grubbing scheme! A Racket! (process control sees it all the time)

Plus (looks around before he says it), not everyone owns a Windows license you know. You do know this. Alot of people might complain about Linux being harder, but they didn't even pay for Windows. Esp. these geeks that buy barebonez, you know what I'm saying. Of course, I wouldn't do anything like that, but just using MS does make me feel a little guilty from time to time. But hey, I drink, I eat meat, right? (har har har)

I'd love to see linux take the world. GPL!!! I think we'd move alot faster towards some *real progress* honestly. Most people today that use a PC just let IT make their shortcuts anyway, they don't know what a command-line is, they probably think it's similar to a fire drill or some military terminology. BUT there's too many distroes. And don't get me wrong, I don't wanna degrade all that hard work in making more flexibility, but it's *more hard work* sometimes, I'm an efficiency kind of guy.

So far, I give Linux an A-/B+. But Gates, I suspect him for cheating :/
Sometimes, I look out my window, and I see trees and stuff and wonder if there is some kind of life outside of this computer chair. But then I grab a soda and shrug that off too, and look in these Windows some more.
 
Old 11-08-2003, 07:03 AM   #530
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Re: Har Har Har ... what was my bug again

Quote:
Originally posted by tygrmouse
But the prob. with windows is, the distroes honestly try to be incompatible. It's a scheme, a money grubbing scheme! A Racket! (process control sees it all the time)
wow, i think the D.A. took the wrong approach altogether. it wasn't monopoly charges and unfair marketing policies they should have tried to nail them for, they should have hauled Gates and Balmer in on Racketing charges under the RICO Act.

it would have been an open and shut case

- perry
 
Old 11-08-2003, 10:43 AM   #531
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Hi,

This thread has indeed become a long long one... and here's my contribution to it.

I started using Linux for the very first time about a month back. Red Hat Linux 9 was required where I work and since we do not have a full time sys admin here and I am considered to be the "WhizzKid" of the office, I decided to try out the Linux installation.

It started off well... with the installer asking me simple questions and myself providing simple answers. Then I got stuck when it came to the disk partitioning section. Oh boy... that was something... most online helplines that I checked out gave sample partition sizes and types for small hard disks, but none for server configuration 250 GB hard disks! I finally managed to find some help and crossed this hurdle... but I still wasn't sure whether my choices were correct.

From then on, the installation was as simple as it could be... I needed the full installation, so I selected all packages, provided the CDs when asked and bingo!... I was done.

Next, I tried to get the latest updates from RHN. I was informed that some SSL something had expired so I would have to get the new ones and then only could I run up2date. Ok... easier said than done, especially since this was my first battle with Linux! Once again, after some probing and prodding, I managed to get the update running, registered my system and then got the updates (paid 20 bucks for it too!).

Once installed and up-to-date, I began with the configurations and realised that Linux wasn't really as scary as I had expected it to be. What so many people here have said is true... you just need to think a little bit more when using Linux. The READMEs, help files and other resources are more easier to access now than it ever was. Yes.. you still can't double-click an exe and install programs but is it really that bad if you have to enter a simple "./<applicationname>" in the terminal window?

And you have stuff like GNOME and KDE to give you that Windows look and feel as far as GUI is concerned. I found Linux to be very very interesting. And one major point that should be remembered is that Linux is a million times more stable and secure than any version of Windows so far! That's enough to make non-believers turn back and take notice.

So far, the server I set up hasn't had any problems... it does more than what we had expected it to do and we've not had to spend loads of money on getting a sys admin or external help to set up the server.

So to put an end to this long post, all I have to say is that:

1. Yes, maybe there is a market for the no-brains-required version of Linux.

2. But no, Linux is not necessarily a nightmare for newbees who have become used to everything that is dished out from Redmond.

3. You need not be a millionaire to get a Linux machine and do everything you can do with Windows.

4. You need not look for hacked or cracked versions of Linux or OpenOffice. Free versions are easily available.

5. If you use Linux, you need not pay $200 or more per incident for telephonic assistance from Microsoft. You can simply search on the Net and more often than not, you'll find the solution to your problem without paying a penny.

6. If you are thinking of setting up a web server, don't even think of doing so on Windows... because you'll find out very soon that if there is anything more insecure than going to bed with your main door open, it's setting up a web server on Windows.

Well, that's about it for now...

Catch you guys later.

Adios!

Ani.

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Old 11-08-2003, 02:26 PM   #532
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Quote:
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incidentally, how well are you making out with Linux on a 486 box and only 16 meg. I have an old windows 95 box that needs a keyboard and i plan on putting linux on it right after i get one.
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well, actually it's working, I'm a little bit surprised in fact. But I believe I'm gonna have to quit, not because I'm not liking the experience of learning how to use linux but that old machine is really limited!

I intent to use some word processor and a user from this forum pointed me lyx (http://www.lyx.org/) which I found that would be the solution for my problems - "lightweight", with many features... The problem, I need to have other packages installed in order to instal this but my PC just doesn't have the room to it!
Maybe by christmas I'll get another one

BTW, I was facing the problem of getting the portuguese keyboard config solved, I searched and searched the web et voilá! I got the solution: I had to install a little script that I downloaded from http://www.piterpunk.hpg.ig.com.br/p...ortuguese.html and I made a post-configuration of it. I'm posting this just in case there are more portuguese viewers of this forum

I said it before, this is one thing I found truly amazing on Linux users - you can find always help, somewhere!

Cheers,
Zeca Pedra
 
Old 11-08-2003, 09:38 PM   #533
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Re: Har Har Har ... what was my bug again

Quote:
Originally posted by tygrmouse

Seriously tho, I did linux years ago, and like someone said earlier 'ran back to windows with my tail between my legs'. But, Gnome is cool, I can live with Gnome. Really, I love a command-line, I learned computers from tinkering in debug back when I was 12 or so, and doing batch files and stuff. Linux would have been killr on a Tandy.

I need to know what the /p switch is under Linux. ...especially when I start looking in my /dev folder. I have many pages of devices, and I may be looking for one certain device, and when I don't know what to look for, it zips up past my buffer's top and I can't PageUp all the way. Something like the ls /dev "/p" is actually what I need.
 
Old 11-09-2003, 12:30 AM   #534
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'ls /dev | less', or increasing your scrollback buffer? Or 'ls /dev | grep -i device'?
 
Old 11-09-2003, 09:26 AM   #535
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All my life, as a black man, I learned to wear suits and walk in the bosses office, or the "power lunch" looking good, smooth.But it was never enough, I always had to buy more.Do more. And was expected to like what I had.
That is the MS world.

One day I discovered a new world. I took on color and new clothes that felt comfortable. It took time. The change was not easy. I couldn't walk to the same closet and grab the same suit.

But there were rewards and good reasons. That is Linux.

I now read, write and execute all and just the same as I did in the old world. And it is so much more comfortable.

and the chicks dig it.
 
Old 11-09-2003, 02:38 PM   #536
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and the chicks dig it.
so how come no one here gets laid?
 
Old 11-09-2003, 05:34 PM   #537
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so how come no one here gets laid? :p :scratch:
How would you know?

Cheers,
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Old 11-09-2003, 07:46 PM   #538
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All my life, as a black man, I learned to wear suits and walk in the bosses office, or the "power lunch" looking good, smooth.But it was never enough, I always had to buy more.Do more. And was expected to like what I had.
That is the MS world.

One day I discovered a new world. I took on color and new clothes that felt comfortable. It took time. The change was not easy. I couldn't walk to the same closet and grab the same suit.

But there were rewards and good reasons. That is Linux.

I now read, write and execute all and just the same as I did in the old world. And it is so much more comfortable.

and the chicks dig it.
Don't tell me we're gonna bring racism in here. I don't care until you say "black man" like I owed you something. Most black men I see are pretty good, but I have run into a few niggers who were convinced that it was MY job to wait on them hand and foot. Some were white, some where black. When it's all said and done, I don't care what color or species you are, you help me out and I'll help you out best I know how. I would even help you out if you were a Skaarj (Unreal).

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Old 11-09-2003, 08:04 PM   #539
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When it comes to the install, Mandrake 9.0's style was so much like that of the Windows install, I was astounded. Further, it was far more stable, without any of the glitches, most of which can be worked around but are nonetheless there, that characterize a typical Windows install.

As for the look and feel of the Linux once it is installed, it's obvious that one or more people put forth a very large amount of effort to make it simple to use and as much like Windows in look and feel as possible. Of course, there are things that are much harder to do than in Windows. However, many of those appear to be items that have slipped through the cracks. Given the current effort put forth so far, if the right people were made aware of those hard to do items, those people would proceed to make those items easy to do. Unfortunately, I don't know those right people.
 
Old 11-09-2003, 08:19 PM   #540
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However, many of those appear to be items that have slipped through the cracks. Given the current effort put forth so far, if the right people were made aware of those hard to do items, those people would proceed to make those items easy to do. Unfortunately, I don't know those right people.
Maybe if you taled about those things here ;)

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