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Old 07-21-2004, 07:50 AM   #1681
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Ok I managed to get hold of Suse 9.1 ( 5 disks ) and installed the first 2 disks and o the OS is up and running.

My first few questions

1. How do I get My modem BT Voyager 100 to be found and installed?

2. I have the 3 other Suse disks but what are they for as they are opened but no install command?

3. At the time of installation a message was shown that there was an error in the installation of the Office files the progame is there but what type of problems may I experience ( I know this may not be able to be answered )

4. I do have some stuff loaded into the XP OS for Suse ie voyager 100 drivers me thinks can I export / import these files from XP whilst Suse is running to save on messing about.

And finally this will have been asked before but how do I open / run EXE and Microsoft related aplications.

Any help would be great.
 
Old 07-21-2004, 08:00 AM   #1682
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For running EXE's on linux - the scale is as follows ranging from difficult to set up to big and expensive and bulky... with some good options in the middle

wine - winex - crossover - win4lin - vmware
 
Old 07-21-2004, 08:14 AM   #1683
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I have Crossover held in XP Partition can I access it via SuSe or do I need to burn it and then install into Suse?

Ta

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Originally posted by amosf
For running EXE's on linux - the scale is as follows ranging from difficult to set up to big and expensive and bulky... with some good options in the middle

wine - winex - crossover - win4lin - vmware
 
Old 07-21-2004, 08:17 AM   #1684
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BTW I realy do like the look and feel of SuSe
 
Old 07-21-2004, 09:07 AM   #1685
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Ok I found I can export files from Windows but it's no good if I cant access / run the files. I tried to open Voyager 100 drivers downloaded in windows fro aciadsl and allthough the file had x amount of kb in files nothing showed up? ie empty?

Plus attempted to run Wine and am totaly lost on how to run em?

I don't know cammand lines and abrieviations i.e RPM etc how do I get files running
 
Old 07-21-2004, 09:56 AM   #1686
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Note: This is coming straight from a Linux newb. I just installed Fedora Core 2 two days ago.

I think one of the main problems with Linux is purely the installation. It is extremely complicated for anyone who has never bothered with partitions before (ie: me). It took me two days of researching, $70 for Partition Magic and was extremely scared before I finally hit that button. I had heard lots of stories from people messing up their Windows data when doing partitions and I didn't want to become another one! This is a huge step to take and I don't think it should have been that hard.

Now, after doing the partitions the next step was booting from a CD. This was not as easy as it could have been, mainly because the ISO to burn the boot CD was actually inside the ISO of the first CD. There were NO instructions telling me that it was there (I had to go out and search. This is a vital phase in installation, you'd think there would be a note or something...). After burning the boot image, then I needed to find out how to actually get it to boot from the CD. Yet again, there could have been more helpful instructions but I ended up figuring it out with a simple Google search.

The actual Linux installation was incredibly easy (maybe excluding the partition setup part, not much for instructions to that.) After finishing the installation I restart, praying and hoping that it all works. Obviously, it didn't. I have noticed its not just me, but almost ALL Dell computers have a hard time booting GRUB. When I restarted the first time, it showed the word GRUB in the top left corner and froze. Everytime. Luckily I had another computer and a quick search on the forums led me to an answer to getting GRUB up and working. This is a bug, I think, and doesn't really need more documentation, but it would be nice if they fixed it.

Moving on, when I finally got everything running and I logged in it was incredibly easy to start using. The desktop is very much like Windows (though I still don't really understand how to use those four, what are they? Virtual desktops?). I was off and running programs (from the start bar) in no time.

The next obstacle was learning to navigate the filesystem. The only problem I have is that the names of the major folders (/bin, /etc, ...) are not very intuitive. I had no idea where anything was! Luckily, there is some documentation of this so I will be able to do some research.

Linux programs should also include a small newbie guide on just the basics of how to get the program installed and then running. Take for example this excerpt from a guide to 'yum':

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so lets say you want to install a package you don't have currently, like the XChat IRC client, simply enter the following:

#yum install xchat <enter>

You'll see something like the following:

I will do the following:
[install: xchat 1:2.0.4-4.i386]
Is this ok [y/N]:

Simply respond with a yes to Yum's question and presto that package is installed and available. Sweet isn't it?
Well thats fine and dandy, I installed xchat now! But one minor problem: Where is it and how do I run it!? These are things that seem to always be left out of guides and FAQs, but to us newbs its very important.

Well, thats about how far I've gotten. I'll be back when I hit another problem (and you know I will ).

Last edited by DuFF234; 07-21-2004 at 10:05 AM.
 
Old 07-21-2004, 10:13 AM   #1687
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SuSe loaded first time i'm used to partitioning but Suse resized it for me was woried that as it was installing onto the C:/ partition it might over write the Windows but no problems there As I explained above there are a couple of brain twitchers but hope the good people on this forum can help tried google searches for some of the problems but havn't quite found that one slap in the face answer. Ive also got an Nvida 440 card which requires a specific driver which again needs to be downloaded but after that I need to know how to install cos it's not as easy / straight forwards as Windows. So just waiting now for someone to take pitty on me and become my mentor
 
Old 07-21-2004, 01:01 PM   #1688
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Ah well I'm scratching my head now! downloaded the RPM driver needed for my modem asked it to run with Yast goes through all the checks & stuff then comes back with Error in OpenOffice_org or something along that line and thats it! still no modem on desktop and no connection.
 
Old 07-21-2004, 11:34 PM   #1689
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I'm fairly new to Linux, and like most of us, I admit I still need Windoze around for software support reasons. The advice I would have for newbies such as myself is to setup dual boot, best off from a floppy. That's the first thing I tackled just so I had something to fall back on and use from day to day, then when I had the time I would start to teach myself how to install comparable software in linux.

I eventually got dual boot setup using the windows OS menu, but wouldn't recommend that for starting out. One of the first programs I setup in Mandrake (Sooooo easy to install even if you don't know jack about linux), which by the way, you only really need to know about patitioning to do, was VMware. Now I can boot into linux and just loads windows in a window and install the software I need there. Now I still have the windows enviroment to boot into as needed, and also a windows virtual machine to use so I can spend more time in a linux envioment giving me the chance to learn more about it. It does just come in time though, and after putting a few days on and off into it, I'm finding it a lot easier to get around and do what I want to do with it...next I'm going to tackle installing drivers for my video card again. After playing around with that, thanks god I setup the dual boot is all I have to say...

Gram
 
Old 07-22-2004, 12:00 AM   #1690
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Bograt, do you consider this thread your personal
linux-blog or something?


How about a separate thread for your problems?
And accomplishments?


Cheers,
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Old 07-22-2004, 04:21 AM   #1691
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was that meant for me?

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Old 07-22-2004, 12:48 PM   #1692
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Quote:
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was that meant for me?
As far as I can tell your call-sign is Gram,
not bograt ... but if you feel that you shouldn't
be using it as your blog either you're more
than welcome :} ... and no, having made your
second post just then I wouldn't have addressed
this to you.



Cheers,
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Old 07-22-2004, 09:51 PM   #1693
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Duff...just my 2 cents...but you should do your homework before jumping in the deep end. Might have saved you some frustration. Before I tackled Linux, I went online and did some searches for some basic info to get started...one of course was setup and installation of Linux, and yeah, figuring out what all those freaking /var, /etc things were. But then again, I know that newbie feeling of being afraid you're gonna screw something up...but sometimes ya gotta take the chance. Also, to perhaps help you...if you want to run a program and you know the name, type it in (making sure it's correct...Linux is case sensitive). For example, to run xchat in terminal just type xchat. It's amazing how simple that stuff can be sometimes. I know I was surprised when I found that out. Sometimes this varies as the command names are different but that's no different than Windows (for example Solitaire is not solitaire.exe in Windows, it's sol.exe)
 
Old 07-23-2004, 01:40 AM   #1694
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Quote:
Originally posted by Basslord1124
... do your homework before jumping in the deep end. .... Before I tackled Linux, I went online and did some searches for some basic info to get started...one of course was setup and installation of Linux, and yeah, figuring out what all those freaking /var, /etc things were. ...
You did? Well, I just bought my then SuSE 6.4 read a little about installation from their very good documentation and took the plunge .

After all Linux was said to be the better system, so what difficulties should arise here

Not to mention that it was to be the third OS to be booted by the NT-loader in a triple boot configuration -- so you can guess, I started reading there and then

Pity I didn't know about LQ then .
 
Old 08-17-2004, 12:36 PM   #1695
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I was inspired to begin using Linux by friends who are hardcore power nerds. Picking a distro? They suggested Debian or Arch with the intentions of getting my hands dirty. So I dove in to my first install of Arch Linux with my trusty partition magic disc in hand. It started rough I will admit an it's still rough sometimes when something "simple" just wont go. But the bottom line is that its all there if you have the will to learn and tinker. So here I am some 6 months later and I'm kind of surprised at how much I've learned. I know the "trial by linux fire" approach is not for everyone...linux is not for everyone. But I will say that it worked (and continues to work) for me. Enjoy!
 
  


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