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Old 07-15-2004, 09:00 AM   #1636
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itme is the problem


hi all!

this is my first post on linuxquestions.org ... hope i'll be here long..

i havent read all 109 pages of posts... who has.. but i'll just throw in my 2 cents...

i love the whole philosophy of linux and open source and freedom etc etc.... but this is the 3rd distro i'm trying out... 1st redhat9 then suse 9 now mandrake 10.... all the previous times i went back to windows...

i've used windows continuously since the beginning about 6 yrs and i know like 2 or 3 dos commands... call me stoopid and i dont care... thing is that i got done what i wanted to get done... and it wasnt a hassle for the most part (apart from the incesasant crashing ) ... for example... in windows i just plugin my printer and pop in the cd... in seconds i'm printing... without learning a thing... anyway y should i learn anything about how the printer works when i've got a paper to complete before my upcoming exam... for linux... mandrake... still havent got the printer working even thought it has tux on the box... but i guess thats the distros fault.. or even installing progs... in wondows double click.. it tells me where i can find it ... and boom its in the start menu and i can use it in moments... with linux i got to learn commands ... and so far i cant figure out where i'm installing the rpms (thats y i joined this forum) ...

somebody's shouting troll.. my point is... i am learning stuff slowly but surely... sometimes too slowly... the thng is it takes time and a lot of patience... sometimes i dont have much of either... and besides i could be doing other things... like working on my next paper, cooking, having a beer, or ... (use your imagination here) .. i read somewhere 'machines should work, people should think' ... now i know you're all saying yeah use your brain and learn linux... but i got other things to think about... let the machine take care of the small details... i dont care how it does it.. i want it done thats all.. i'm intrested in the big picture and the end product...

so friends... i love linux but its got some growing up to do... i hope it develops (not sure all will agree this is a development) to a stage where i can just sit and get some work done without much effort on how i am going to do it... but more on what i am doing... and i'm sure i'll find a perfect distro for me.. just got to keep looking...

thanks for reading my crap...

librano.

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Old 07-15-2004, 09:06 AM   #1637
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I am a newbie to the linux OS myself. I am running on Mandrake 10.0 and am pretty happy with it. I have only had it for less than a week on my new pc that I built from scratch. I am no programmer or anything of the like. What I find disheartening is when I (the brand new newbie) try to do something, like load a plugin for the browser or just load anything I can't find the answer as to why I can't get it to load. Hell, I can't even get an answer on where to find what I've downloaded on my hdd! As a matter of fact, I can't even get an answer on how to look at my hdd to see if I actually downloaded anything at all. I've gone to forum after forum looking for answers. I've gone to chatroom after chatroom asking these questions. All I get is ignored and/or sneered at. So tell those of us that really do wish to learn; is there a site that can teach us step by step how to use linux and or our specific distro? And will this site have answers to questions I have when I run into a snag on my problem. Again, I am pretty happy with Mandrake 10.0 but its the learning how to use it and not getting a cold shoulder when I ask 'how to do something' that has me in turmoil. I am not trying to bitch or anything. I'm just trying to do some of the basic fundamental things that the everyday surfer does. I think that is the question in the main post. Not the fact that we want to go back to Windows but that we can't find any support when we, the brand new newbie, run into a snag with whatever we are trying to do. If we didn't want to learn this, we would have stuck with the Windows. I knew what I was getting into, but I thought I'd get help from people on how to do things once I got inside linux. Many of us, like myself aren't computer geniuses or anything. We haven't the first clue what you guys are talking about when you talk your computer jargon and tell us to do this and that. We need step by step instruction. Just think of us as kindergartners and you are teaching us the alphabet. Tell me how to put the square block into the square hole and not into the round hole! I hope this makes sense. It does to me.

-----Call me dumb, call me obnoxious, just don't call me late for sex-----

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Old 07-15-2004, 10:04 AM   #1638
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if ya need some help goto http://www.tldp.org and look there, failing that mail me with the prob... if i don't know the answer the chances are i'll read

tkae care
 
Old 07-15-2004, 05:26 PM   #1639
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Gonna toss in my $0.02 here

I have been playing with computers since the AppleII. I like alot of things about windows and hate alot more. I know alot about windows and it's capabilities as well as it's failings. I actually like XP, as it at least is on the NT core. I like Linux for alot of reasons and dislike some. What can I say NOTHING is perfect.

On Computer newbies
What I do here is try to assess their priorities.
What do they want/need in a computer?
What kind of budget do they have?
Who are they?
I then try to recommend the best system for them.

If budget isn't an issue, and I DON"T think Linux is for them, then I will recommend a brand name box such as Compaq for the free tech support and good warranty. Or a Mac for it's ease of use and stability.

If budget is a mild issue then I recommend a cheaper new box, for the same reasons. A Linspire PC from Wally world is a good suggestion for some of these people.

If budget is a REAL issue I recommend used and install linux for them. Usually something fairly simple such as Linspire or Mandrake. Of course with these I become tech support but that's ok too.

My biggest issue with any of these is that,if we are talking about linux, software often becomes an issue for these people. I will do my best to show them how to install what they need but they often foul something up. I DO wish there were an easier way to install software in Linux. NOT for me per se. , but for these people who really need it.

Mandrake is my *current* favorite for most of these people, simply because it comes with almost everything the average user needs. This leads to less help calls to me LOL. I have found that, by spending a few hours going through the basics, with most of these people, they never miss windows.

Now this all sounds like I'm trying to make myself look like some kind of Linux guru. I'm not one at all. I know WAY more about windows than I do about Linux of any flavour. I DO find it interesting that, with a little foreknowledge from me, I get far fewer support calls from newbies with linux than I do with Windows.

What it comes down to is that NO OS is perfect for everyone.

</ramble>

 
Old 07-16-2004, 03:02 PM   #1640
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Quote:
Originally posted by infamous41md
exactly! comprehending Linux means reading! i have 1000 page book, RH8 LInux Bible. there are so many dogeared and highlighted pages it looks like its years old, but guess what? i bought RH8 3 weeks ago! if u think u can learn linux just by using it, u are crazy!

Crazy, maybe, but that's how the world learns the largest installed OS.


And as far as not being as fast as Windows, yes perhaps on the GUI side u r correct, BUT: try and backup ur hard disk on windows, and then do it on Linux! my newby ass was able to write a simple script consisting of only a dozen lines, and my hard drive can be backed up weekly without me even being at the terminal! that is the power of Linux, automating system tasks! let me see u do that in Windows! well actually, yes i could do that, i could sit down in MSVC++ and in about 12 hours (straight) i could write a program that automatically backs up my drive...lets' compare the work there...
Perhaps you could just click on <Start><Programs><Accessories><System Tools><Backup> and use the wizard, (yes, it even schedules).
 
Old 07-16-2004, 10:47 PM   #1641
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Exclamation Linux - Windows

Hey All,

I'm a new linux user myself, i started using linux when i first saw my cousin use it. He was using SuSE 9.1 and thats when it hit me. I saw that he basicly got NO popups, it was very stable and the preformance was outstanding, from what I experienced and seen, i'd say that Linux is faster than Windows. This may not apply to most people but it does to me.

The fact the installing programs is more difficult than windows, yes we all agree, well atleast most of us (some linux experts may not) But i'd pay that small fee to have a faster, more stable OS. I've read COUNTLESS users complain about linux and things they cant workout and insulting linux in manyways and saying Windows can do this, windows can do that. I think that they shouldnt post complains because what would that fix? It would only cause arguments because some users started using linux and went straight on downloading trying to install files etc. THEN complaining about it not working. There is something missing that they havent done...hmm is it READING that they call it now? They expect it to work JUST like windows when they dont understand the fact that its a totally differnet comapany and OS so it most definitly will not have the same features or methods. Even Mac has different methods then Windows.

You ppl got yourself into this, using linux and all, then why complain? you should have known what your getting yourself into prior to doing it PERIOD. So stop you whining get a move it! You dont like linux? Then go back to windows, as for us, we'd rather learn something new. I'm not saying that you windows users are stupid or anything.If you dont like reading or dont wanna read a manual, then Linux is NOT for you. So please stop with the annoying "Linux Isnt Supporting Games", "In Windows I Can Do This Why Not In Linux?", "Linux Sucks!", "If I Dont Solve This Im Going To go Back To Windows!" Posts. Why threaten us to leave linux if we dont help you, not our fault you didnt read the manuals. Forums is a place to post should the info provided in the manual or the README text files not solve your issue. So Please End This Non-Sense! Use Windows Of You Want, Use Mac If You Want, Even Stick With Linux If You Want! I Dont Want To Hear Your Life Story About "I Started Using Windows in Blah Blah Blah Years Ago" And Just Get On With It! Here Are The Solutions To ALL Your Problems!

Got Problems With Linux And Think Windows Is Better?
Answer: Go Back To Windows.
Wanna Try Linux?
Answer: Go Ahead And Try It, Many Distro's Avalible For You, Select What You Want.
Complaining About Linux?
Answer: Go Back To What OS you Were Using Before.
Think Linux Is Hard But Still Want To Try And Learn To Use Linux As Your Primary Or Secondary OS?
Answer: Great! We Can Help You Make It Easier To Use With Some Co-op And Work!

Other Than That I Dont Think Anyone Here Can Help You.
 
Old 07-17-2004, 02:08 AM   #1642
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I'm a n00b but not a fresh one anymore. What if my current Me could go tell my n00b Me what I was doing wrong and why?
I think the solution to newbies sweating over issues with adding hardware/software or just starting out is to have classes. Like, at a school. With textbooks that have exercises. When I started with Linux I ditched the windows so when I couldn't get online I was cut out of all the help. I have a huge and growing stack of Linux, UNIX, vi etc books and they help and they don't. I will soon take some UNIX classes seeings how I was forced to take a Windows class when I was in college because CO101 was required and all it was was using stupid Wizards and typing in Word. Duh?
Soon, there will be Linux classes. Shell classes. Kernel classes. Until then, I'll struggle with dense 1000 page manuals and red eyes and Linux forums :)
gaviidae
ps digiot's posts were hilarious
 
Old 07-17-2004, 03:53 AM   #1643
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Quote:
Originally posted by jmill_1
I am a newbie to the linux OS myself. I am running on Mandrake 10.0 and am pretty happy with it. I have only had it for less than a week on my new pc that I built from scratch. I am no programmer or anything of the like. What I find disheartening is when I (the brand new newbie) try to do something, like load a plugin for the browser or just load anything I can't find the answer as to why I can't get it to load. Hell, I can't even get an answer on where to find what I've downloaded on my hdd! As a matter of fact, I can't even get an answer on how to look at my hdd to see if I actually downloaded anything at all. I've gone to forum after forum looking for answers. I've gone to chatroom after chatroom asking these questions. All I get is ignored and/or sneered at. So tell those of us that really do wish to learn; is there a site that can teach us step by step how to use linux and or our specific distro? And will this site have answers to questions I have when I run into a snag on my problem. Again, I am pretty happy with Mandrake 10.0 but its the learning how to use it and not getting a cold shoulder when I ask 'how to do something' that has me in turmoil. I am not trying to bitch or anything. I'm just trying to do some of the basic fundamental things that the everyday surfer does. I think that is the question in the main post. Not the fact that we want to go back to Windows but that we can't find any support when we, the brand new newbie, run into a snag with whatever we are trying to do. If we didn't want to learn this, we would have stuck with the Windows. I knew what I was getting into, but I thought I'd get help from people on how to do things once I got inside linux. Many of us, like myself aren't computer geniuses or anything. We haven't the first clue what you guys are talking about when you talk your computer jargon and tell us to do this and that. We need step by step instruction. Just think of us as kindergartners and you are teaching us the alphabet. Tell me how to put the square block into the square hole and not into the round hole! I hope this makes sense. It does to me.

-----Call me dumb, call me obnoxious, just don't call me late for sex-----

jmill_1
I am personally very frustrated since I have a project that might help issues as such.
But I keep getting more and more (paid) work.

JMILL + others (if interested)

If you want to join me part of this project - send me an message or ICQ or email or whatever.
I am interested mostly in newbies - not veterans.
Problems YOU have solved - not things you are stuck with.
So I can compile a database + then a site - with a very easy navigational system / search.
In fact I don't want a search button - the navigation and folders have to be that obvious and easy - even the most PC-n00b-allround will find it a breeze.

This is the format I want:

Q: How do I create a Symbolic Link (ShortCut) using the console?
A: ln -s [name of current file] [name of new link]
E: ln -s diary.txt Desktop/LinkToDiary
N: In KDE: Dragging a file and Dropping into another folder (keep mouse still for 2 seconds) will bring a menu - "Link Here" will create the desired Link.
<etc>

It is of course very difficult to decide how compact you give the answers or how detailed.

Q: How do I kill a process (Force close an application) ?
A: ps ax (will give you a list of all processes)
(now take note of the PID number that relates to the application)
kill -9 PID-number (will close that application)
E: Say kMissBehave is our frozen application ..
ps ax (will yield something like .. )

PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 0:03 init [5]
2 ? SWN 0:03 [ksoftirqd/0]
3 ? SW< 0:05 [events/0]
...
12466 ? S 0:45 kMissBehave
...
17063 ? S 0:01 kdeinit: konsole
17064 pts29 S 0:00 /bin/bash
17100 pts29 R 0:00 ps ax

The PID of kMissBehave = 12466
So typing kill -9 12466 will force-shut that window
N: Becareful not to close the wrong program or system process!
Alternatively many distros ship xkill - a window zapper program found usually under the "Utilities" menu in KDE. You can fire that up - target and click on the frozen window/app and watch it the cursor turn into a skull. Again caution is advised since if you click on say the menu bar - you may find yourself "sort of" stuck.

----------------------------------------------------

Anyway, that is the idea, a easy to read FAQ list for newbies coming from Windows.
Divided by sections, and easy to navigate.
Almost like a cookbook, gosh how many times I forgot things?
Like if I wanted to find out how much RAM I have - what do I do?
Hopefully in the system above you have to just navigate faqs -> operating system -> memory
and in section memory will have (how to find RAM, memory left in hard-disc, do I need to defrag in Linux?, what is the min specs to run a Desktop enviroment, what is the lightest X enviroment , memory quota, what is SWAP (some questions will be repeated as they belong to other sections, it doesnt matter!)) ..

I will plan the whole thing better - but would be cool to have this type of database.
With final links to other How-Tos, sites and Forums should they want to know even more!
 
Old 07-17-2004, 08:59 PM   #1644
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I agree with the original poster that Linux needs to be made easier, much easier. No amount of Linux eye candy can hide the fact that it is far more difficult to use than Windows.
 
Old 07-18-2004, 01:26 AM   #1645
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Henry
Color code your answers too. For instance, in the part where you want the PID # to stand out, leave the text (in a different font anyway) black and maybe the PID red.
You'll also have to separate some stuff by distro. That'll suck, but what one distro does another can't. I was told use "iptables --flash" for firewall stuff. That command doesn't work in Mandrake, it's like a redhat thing. etc etc
--gaviidae
 
Old 07-18-2004, 01:39 AM   #1646
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Henry
I was told use "iptables --flash" for firewall stuff. That command doesn't work in Mandrake, it's like a redhat thing. etc etc
--gaviidae
I did not quite understand your post, but iptables is not a Redhat command. It's a program that in order to work, has to be installed first..

Maybe (just a guess) Mandrake comes with ipchains instead, but I'm pretty sure you can install iptables on any distribution..

redhat-config-xf86, now that's a Redhat command
 
Old 07-18-2004, 05:52 AM   #1647
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i like linux how linux is... and all linux is is a kernel anyway... all the other stuff is the rest of the community realy =P

OooohoOHOHO yeah....

if you strip the GUI off the windows kernel and all you get is a command line it gets worse then complicated compared to linux =P - cant even grep or chmod, or chown, or ANYTHING USEFULL

And you can make windows look like *nix too and install all kinds of binary command line tools etc.... ive seen replacements for the explorer shell that rivaled enlightenment back in teh days when 2000 was young...

so how would you go about dumming down a kernel anyway?

the computer boots up and it displays a 0? then you press 1 and then it dissplays a 1? then you can press 0 again and it will display a 0? 1337x0r!

btw i find it way easier to type #rpm -rebuild blah.src.rpm then go through the girations of the MSI installer on windows......... click yes and no about 5 thousand times.... wait through about 8 spash screens, then it doesnt install properly and wont uninstall so you got to reg hack windows to fix it... yeah windows is simpler...

lol ) dont even start me on how ungodly complex and stupid and girated windows is !

Last edited by flayzernax; 07-18-2004 at 05:58 AM.
 
Old 07-18-2004, 10:00 AM   #1648
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Re: Make Linux easier for the general population! Please.

Quote:
Originally posted by Paul Parr
Why are things that should be so simple, so complicated on Linux...its times like this I find myself praing Window XP for its user friendlyness and no brainer installs.

I know the hard core Unix/Linux users want to keep it complicated to protect it, and keep ther skills in demand but its never going to make it mainstream and overtake M$ marketshare if it does not become a scaled back OS for dummies. Which all us newbies are. We have been brainwashed into the windows way of things that it makes converting to Linux very hard at times...

Don't get me wrong I think Linux has the potential to over take Windows, its does everything they can, I think its far more flexible, powerful, secure, the list goes on an on...but there has to be an easy starter linux for newbies with all the full blown power user options...I have wanted to migratate to Linux several times over the last few years...and I found my self always giving up and going back to the enemy, M$ Windows.

But I also find myself continually going back to test the Linux waters in hopes that this time it will meet my expectations as a Windows user. One thing is for sure because of the complex nature of Linux it painstakenly forces you to learn the thing in depth. Which I really don't care to become a Linux engineer, just a happy enduser. I don't want to spends hours everyday trying to solve problems or figure out complicated setup routines. I just want to install it, and use it. I want to spend my time enjoying the system, and being productive with my time. If I wanted to Learn how to become a Linux Engineer I would take a Red Hat certification coarse.

Maybe if one of the leading distributions adopted a interviewing style setup and configuring method it would really boost Linux past Windows and into the majoring or homes. (You know the way some of the Income tax service companies (ie. Quicktax) help you do your taxes on line for example, think about it if they can make doing takes a breeze then it can make using Linux a breeze too, just have to OS ask the user logical questions that branch out like surveys do.)

Make Linux easier by reinventing the way we interact with it.

**Together we can make a difference**
 
Old 07-18-2004, 10:32 AM   #1649
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I've been using Linux for 2 yrs. now and still get frustrated. It's not user friendly like Windows and even more complicated to install. Took me for ever to get my sound card to work and my CDR to work properly and had to buy a special modem to get on line. If not for forums like this I would have given up long ago.

I'm using Red hat 9.0 and recently upgraded from Mandrake 8.2. Red hat runs best on my computer setup. I still have quirks that i'm trying to find answers for on my current set-up.

Linux doesn't CRASH, LOCKUP, OR get VIRUSES, like Windows and seems so much more stable. I don't understand the command line and don't want to either. I simply do not have the time to mess around with that stuff to make something work. I thought RPM's took care of that, but most of the time they don't. Thats when you waste all day looking for dependences to make it work only to find you have to upgrade to the newest Linux release (Release cycles are too short.)

They have come a long way in just the 2 yrs. I've used Linux and seems to be getting easier to use the more I learn about it. Yes, I agree that he distributors of Linux will have to figure out how to make it user friendly for the windows users to make the change, but until then it's a love-hate relationship.
 
Old 07-18-2004, 01:55 PM   #1650
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If you only ever buy a pre-made pre-configure windows box you will never see any of the TRUE heartache of windows...

Making windows secure: most people are ignorant of this and get raped daily but hackers, malware, spyware etc....

In order to unerf and remove the exploits out of windows to fix these problems in a professional environement/IT shop it is VERY VERY INSANELY COMPLEX AND TIME CONSUMING

The END USER doesn't have to know command line in linux or anything else, they click on openoffice and make a doc and email it... if you can't use openoffice and kmail you should be killed int he street so as not to reproduce.

A good sysadmin/IT guy/CIO can/will easily set up a linux solution for his employer and will have 100% uptime. On clean, safe, efficient computers.

For example, I am a soldier working at an army school, daily activities include emailing your buddies, playing flash games on the internet, and displaying powerpoint slideshows. However none of this happens because we are constantly upgrading patches, fixing exploits in IE, waiting 5 minutes for powerpoint to open. A simple clean KDE/openoffice solution is all this place needs to accomplish its mission, AR 25-1 states that you aren't supposed to use army computers for anything but official business, unfortunatly in windows you cannot without paying microsoft big bucks for their development SDK's for stuff like IE etc... stop dumb users from trashing systems, because even dumb users run processes as root on a windows box....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the sockets system implemented in 2000 and XP to give the illusion of a multiuser environment is even worse of an exploit....

Im sorry but windows... is far far more convaluted then Linux, in linux you don't have to pay serious enteprise level cash to configure your kernel..... (or know how to hack windows) anyone can do it, and it is as simple as 4 commands

make menuconfig
make modules
make install
make bzimage

the problem is people have been fed http://toastytech.com/guis/bob2.html for far to long... the general populace should go out and get drunk and not worry about their computers, they should pay me 100$ to configure them a great e-machine so they can IRC all day, and play solataire under wine (i will even make them shortcuts on their destkop and show them how to click it) the general populace should go out and continue to buy lotto tickets and get drunk daily that is the sum of their existance. or they can continue to submit to the will of MS and pay 199$ for a copy of XP home edition (which they have problems installing themselves) I have had people ask me how to install windows xp... my reply is, pay someone to do it for you before you burn the last synapse out of your mind.
 
  


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