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Old 04-10-2003, 03:26 PM   #1
Paul Parr
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M$ can't hold the Monopoly forever


I think Bill knows this and thats why he is trying to get into other markets like the Xbox to try and make up lost ground. (Which btw is dominated by the Sony Playstation which runs on Linux). Sorry Bill Linux is leading in that market too.

We know Bill Stole Dos from IBM's PC Dos that he helped develop
We know that he stole the Windows Gui idea from Apple and the Amiga OS's.
We know that he stole the Unix core for Windows NT.
We know he stole the idea for Internet Explorer from Netscape.
We now he stole the idea for MSWord from WordPerfect.

We stole all this re-engineered it, slapped a label, a price and a copyright on it all and created licensing robbery. How he got away with all this I don't understand.

also...
We know he monopolized the OEM markets for pre-installed PCs.
We know he monopolized the web Browser market by including I.E. with Windows.
We know he owns shares in Apple that got his I.E. and Office products on thier OS.

The list goes on and on.

Obviously he is not playing nice or he wouldn't have had so many anti-trust, monopoly lawsuits from the US government.

All I can say is that I think Bill is very nervous about Linux. Its growing in popularity at a substancial rate, its improving at a substancial rate, its got ahuge world of support, developers, and users.

He can't buy it out, he can't sue it, he can't bully it, and he can't stop it.

Its only a matter of time before the small steps become leaps and bounds towards over taking his strangle hold on the C world.

Run Billy, Run! Be afraid Be very afraid.

The so called "Software Giant" looks pretty small next to the "Community Giant" of Linux.

Linux runs on everything, Linux is Free, Linux is more Flexible, More Stable, and more secure, etc.

Its just a matter of time before it takes over the OEM markets, the Desktop Markets, the Laptop Markets, the Handheld Markets, etc. In this age of mergers I wouldn't be surprised to see a convergence of all the best Linux Distro Companies out there and one absolutely kick ass Linux Standard that is hands down the undisputed champion. (Imagine RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, Debian, Slackerware, and the rest becoming the largest Free OS Company in the World.)

Of couse that wil probably never happen but its nice to dream.

***POWER TO THE PEOPLE***
 
Old 04-10-2003, 04:42 PM   #2
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Moved: Lets place threads in the proper forums please. I didn't find one Linux question in your post. If your going to post about Microsoft, just go ahead and post in the General forum where most likely its going to belong.
 
Old 04-10-2003, 05:22 PM   #3
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Agreed

I work in IT and I can see more folks wanting linux and less folks wanting to mess around with MS Licensing fees and crashes and such.

We really need more competition in the Server/Desktop market. I want Linux to become the next Novell.

Novell had a HUGE amount of corporate servers, now it's just falling apart.

*Linux knocks on door... Door is answered..... Please come in*


I think I need an a$$ kicking

I need one every now and then...
 
Old 04-10-2003, 05:28 PM   #4
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that's quite a lot of vague and inaccurate data you got hold of there.... one every week i guess. personally i really don't see the point of preaching to the converted, like trying to convince a fish that water is good. and playstation doesn't run on linux, ps2 has a linux add on, but that's just a gimmick.
 
Old 04-10-2003, 06:37 PM   #5
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Re: M$ can't hold the Monopoly forever

Quote:
Originally posted by Paul Parr
We know Bill Stole Dos from IBM's PC Dos that he helped develop
We know that he stole the Windows Gui idea from Apple and the Amiga OS's.
We know that he stole the Unix core for Windows NT.
We know he stole the idea for Internet Explorer from Netscape.
We now he stole the idea for MSWord from WordPerfect.

We stole all this re-engineered it, slapped a label, a price and a copyright on it all and created licensing robbery. How he got away with all this I don't understand.

also...
We know he monopolized the OEM markets for pre-installed PCs.
We know he monopolized the web Browser market by including I.E. with Windows.
We know he owns shares in Apple that got his I.E. and Office products on thier OS.
1)No, he bought DOS from a small company for a few thousand a license, and sold it to IBM for millions.
2)And Apple, in turn, stole the GUI from Xerox
3)NT has no *nix code, it is made to resemble Unix, I think.
4)IE was made using Mosaic, the first GUI browser, IIRC.
5)Hmm, I guess so.

The rest seem right.

Try looking through www.fsckmicrosoft.com (replace filesystem checking utility with word that would be censored here) for more information on all the companies that MS swallowed or killed in their reign of terror, it's a long list.
 
Old 04-11-2003, 09:34 AM   #6
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MS will stay around because the average person probably can't use Linux, well without some major studying... A lot of people, get on the computer, type a e-mail and then leave.
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personally i really don't see the point of preaching to the converted, like trying to convince a fish that water is good
hehe I agree
 
Old 04-11-2003, 12:25 PM   #7
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You have quite a bit of inaccurate data there.

-No, the ps2 does not run on linux, it has a linux addon. This is like saying my PC runs on SNES because it has a SNES emulator.

-As for MS products on Apple, that was through a licensing agreement between MS and Apple, and Apple users benefited by having Office on thier PCs.

Finally, dont expect the distros to merge, and sides, that is a bad thing. The adoption of a linux standard is great, but the great thing about distros is you're given a choice, which is something Windows is devoid of.

Last edited by carrja99; 04-11-2003 at 12:27 PM.
 
Old 04-11-2003, 03:20 PM   #8
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Re: M$ can't hold the Monopoly forever

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He can't buy it out, he can't sue it, he can't bully it, and he can't stop it.
lol that makes his power go down a lot. That all he ever does. And you think he is rich enough or somethin'. There's no hierarchy to Linux as there is with microsoft, except for the millions of grateful programmers out there.
 
Old 04-12-2003, 07:27 PM   #9
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Re: Re: M$ can't hold the Monopoly forever

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Originally posted by Thorin
[B]1)No, he bought DOS from a small company for a few thousand a license, and sold it to IBM for millions.
I thought the story was that it was bought for $50,000 flat out.
 
Old 04-12-2003, 09:34 PM   #10
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Still thats not much at all compared to what he makes every year off of windows, and all the microsux products
 
Old 04-12-2003, 09:40 PM   #11
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Re: Re: M$ can't hold the Monopoly forever

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There's no hierarchy to Linux as there is with microsoft, except for the millions of grateful programmers out there.

grateful small business, non-profits, governments, schools and tons of others that can't afford to worry about licensing hassle let alone forced upgrades.

;-)
 
Old 04-13-2003, 10:54 PM   #12
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Maybe its just my history degree talking but that list is curiously similary in format to the Declaration of Independance's claims against King George III, and similarly filled with false attribution of blame.

Bill didnt do it alone, and he couldnt have done it without <i>you</i> the consumer. Lets face it Windows is very good at sticking a fairly OS in a consumers face and allowing the average joe to do what he really wants: browse net, read email, type docs, play video games. Linux has gotten better at these things, but MS Windows is a tight little package for doing a few things well. Its an "ignorance is bliss" operating system. It takes a perspective external to the computing community (and perhaps damaging to it) that the average consumer doesnt care about the 1% difference in performance that we linux folks recompile kernels over. They just want something that doesnt get in there way that does regular stuff. Windows does this, and hence has succeded on the desktop front. Whether or not this can be done for the systems that computing folks use is a far different matter.
 
Old 04-14-2003, 01:33 AM   #13
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How nice of you to provide your resume in both html and .doc format. Choice is nice. Having a choice is always a good thing. But having a company use illegal means to limit choice is not a good thing. Microsoft has used illegal means to obtain there goal of market domination.
 
Old 04-15-2003, 03:33 AM   #14
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aside from the subject
i'd like to have choice on search engine
hope ms and yahoo makes good competetion with google
 
Old 04-15-2003, 04:14 PM   #15
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You have to read this Dec 2002 article from the Toronto Star...

M$ calls Linux a "cancer and Un-American!"
Maybe that translates into "Growing and Non-greedy" to the rest of us?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968705923364
 
  


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