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Old 08-18-2021, 10:44 AM   #16
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Try this follow-up review/demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCKMxzz9cjs
 
Old 08-18-2021, 10:54 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Lysander666 View Post
You haven't actually answered the question. I'll quote it :

Will one be able to do everything one would want to do and to use applications like Telegram, Whatsapp, Spotify and banking applications? Or is it just for calls and texts and some browsing apps?

EDIT: Actually, I'll just take your answer as a "no" and a "yes". In that order.
As asked, that question is nonsense. for it to make sense, one must define "everything one would want to do" very precisely. As for the apps it will run, almost any of them with a Linux version that will run on the processor. That is a moving target, as development is ongoing.
 
Old 08-18-2021, 11:34 AM   #18
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You haven't actually answered the question.
No need to be rude. Your inference is also maybe incorrect - as wpeckham said, the question, as asked, is problematic. There's nothing about the current state of Pinephone, at least running Manjaro, that isn't suitable for day-to-day use - that is, the distro itself is stable enough, applications build and run, the battery charging works (for a time the kernel would cap the battery charge for safety), the peripherals on the device work (e.g. camera, modem, touchscreen, etc) and you've got a fully functioning touchscreen computer in the palm of your hand (just like an iPhone or an Android device). However that doesn't mean it has the same software compatibility - it isn't an iOS or Android device, so if you insist on using 'apps' then you'll probably be waiting forever for that to happen. However (with limitations around it being ARM rather than x86, along with its relative performance, memory, form factor, etc as applicable), it can do anything any other linux-powered computer can do. That doesn't make it any more or less 'real' as a 'smartphone' - like I said, best to think of them like gaming consoles rather than general purpose systems. Your question is a bit like asking if a Playstation is a 'suitable console' based on whether or not it can play Super Mario Bros - it's an example of a True Scotsman fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman). Also remember that in many cases, the 'app' is just a skinned, application-specific browser that connects the user to whatever web portal/site/server that the provider/organization/whatever is offering, usually to circumvent the browser and security/privacy/etc features that it may try to enforce, and/or to tailor the UI for a mobile device. A lot of modern cloud-based 'services' still offer a browser-based variant of their 'service' in order for things to work on desktops and laptops so a modified variant of the response could also include: "if you can do it in Firefox/Chrome/etc it will also work" - but I guess I assumed that was safely implied.
 
Old 08-18-2021, 12:17 PM   #19
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I have to agree with the last two posters - in that being able to run proprietary software, which is coded specifically for a proprietary platform, is not relevant for means of comparison. Those "app" developers delvelop software (usually some hacked together chrome based thing) specifically for those platforms. It is they, or those who employ them, who decide what to support.
 
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Are these phones actually usable for day to day use? Will one be able to do everything one would want to do and to use applications like Telegram, Whatsapp, Spotify and banking applications? Or is it just for calls and texts and some browsing apps?
For my use case (see post #5) the answer is a resounding yes.
I use the native OS for most tasks, and that's just fine. Apps exist in abundance but for a few things I have to resort to the Android support. I'm not sure how it works technically, but it works 100% so far - OK, maybe 99% - I sometimes have to tap a UI element twice instead fo once to pull up the keyboard, little things like that. But I have had video conferences and Signal calls no problem.
 
  


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