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Old 09-08-2018, 06:16 PM   #1
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List of non-politicized open source software?


You know, I can remember when Firefox/Netscape supported the EFF and things like The Blue Ribbon Campaign. Now, it's become about things like "fake news" and other newspeak for what is essentially: Of cousre you're allowed to speak! Well, that is unless we disagree with you, at which point you will be ostracized by whatever new hate-label we can espouse to your opinions so that we can silence you. Hell, even Wikipedia has become so radically left that the background should be changed from white to red.

So, what/where is it possible to find non-politicized software, browsers, ad filters, etc.?

Do Palemoon & Seamonkey remove that kind of bias from the Firefox code base?

If someone had told me 15 years ago that "liberal" leaning people would be calling for the American version of the Great Firewall of China in less than 20 years I'd have thought them crazy... Millennials really should be force-fed things like 1984 and Brave New World.

EDIT: Just for clarification, I'm not right-wing. I'm no-wing... I'm largely a-political in nature. That is, until I see effing crazy talk go mainstream.

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Old 09-08-2018, 06:34 PM   #2
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Perhaps you should clarify how or where in the browser you are seeing political content or filtering. I am not observing any of that in the browser itself. (ANY browser!)
 
Old 09-08-2018, 06:46 PM   #3
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You know, I can remember when Firefox/Netscape supported the EFF and things like The Blue Ribbon Campaign. Now, it's become about things like "fake news" and other newspeak for what is essentially: Of cousre you're allowed to speak! Well, that is unless we disagree with you, at which point you will be ostracized by whatever new hate-label we can espouse to your opinions so that we can silence you. Hell, even Wikipedia has become so radically left that the background should be changed from white to red.

So, what/where is it possible to find non-politicized software, browsers, ad filters, etc.?

Do Palemoon & Seamonkey remove that kind of bias from the Firefox code base?

If someone had told me 15 years ago that "liberal" leaning people would be calling for the American version of the Great Firewall of China in less than 20 years I'd have thought them crazy... Millennials really should be force-fed things like 1984 and Brave New World.

EDIT: Just for clarification, I'm not right-wing. I'm no-wing... I'm largely a-political in nature. That is, until I see effing crazy talk go mainstream.
I don't know about the Palemoon developers' politics, but the head developer doesn't seem to be a fan of Slackware. It is frustrating to see that, but I like the browser, so I ignore his stance on Slackware. I use antiX even though its developer supports communism, because it is a great distro for on-the-go use. I don't like the way Mozilla has gone politically, but their browser is still good. In my opinion you're going to have a difficult time finding software developed by people who don't express some sort of political opinion.
Getting back on topic, I haven't seen anything political come from any Seamonkey developers. Midori's developers seem ok as well.
 
Old 09-08-2018, 08:48 PM   #4
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Perhaps you should clarify how or where in the browser you are seeing political content or filtering. I am not observing any of that in the browser itself. (ANY browser!)
Me either. Luridis, please do clarify what you’re talking about...
 
Old 09-08-2018, 08:52 PM   #5
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You know, I can remember when Firefox/Netscape supported the EFF and things like The Blue Ribbon Campaign. Now, it's become about things like "fake news" and other newspeak
If you are seeing such in your browser, I would think it's likely the websites, not the browser.

As far as I can tell, Mozilla's commitment to an open internet has not changed.

Note that Seamonkey is also a Mozilla project.
 
Old 09-08-2018, 09:23 PM   #6
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I agree with wpeckham.

I do not know any open source software which filter contents according to politics views...

But platforms as GAFAM do more and more ! That's true.

If I may say, this is a big and complicated issue about freedom of speech related to social/economic issues and the upcoming power of GAFAM.
 
Old 09-08-2018, 11:38 PM   #7
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Do Palemoon & Seamonkey remove that kind of bias from the Firefox code base?
Nothing that resembles what you appear to be talking about exists in Firefox's code base.

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Old 09-09-2018, 03:25 AM   #8
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i don't much care for any sort of Us-vs-Them mentality, but this we can agree on:
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I'm no-wing... I'm largely a-political in nature. That is, until I see effing crazy talk go mainstream.
 
Old 09-09-2018, 09:07 AM   #9
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Do Palemoon & Seamonkey remove that kind of bias from the Firefox code base?
You think the code base has a political bias? Like what exactly, source code comments criticizing Trump?

 
Old 09-12-2018, 04:20 AM   #10
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I see what ya'll are saying... There is some sort of political initiate Moz was taking... Acronym MILF or some such. (LOL on my mislabel.) This is actually it: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/0...mation-online/

I misunderstood that this was somehow going to make it into the code. I remember when Netscape was all free speech on the internet, funny how times change. #donkeyslivealongtime

That said, there are places where politics are being prioritized over science, even in open source. I recently read about a LLVM developer leaving over politics and projects like Python (2 vs 3 because "inclusive unicode", etc.) and GTK+ appear to be getting some of the politics-over-science treatment.

Some days, I really just want a wormhole to the 1990's to appear. Western Civilization is crapping itself...
 
Old 09-12-2018, 08:30 AM   #11
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I see what ya'll are saying... There is some sort of political initiate Moz was taking... Acronym MILF or some such. (LOL on my mislabel.) This is actually it: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/0...mation-online/

I misunderstood that this was somehow going to make it into the code.
Ah, well it's possible that thing might produce some code (which may or may not go into Firefox) in the future, but looks like all vague planning stuff at the moment. No code to discuss.

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That said, there are places where politics are being prioritized over science, even in open source. I recently read about a LLVM developer leaving over politics
This one I heard about: http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm...ay/122922.html

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and projects like Python (2 vs 3 because "inclusive unicode", etc.) and GTK+ appear to be getting some of the politics-over-science treatment.
Not sure what these refer to.
 
Old 09-13-2018, 05:28 AM   #12
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All Open Source communities and teams have certain social and political values in common, or they would not be championing open source. After that, the politics are all over the board and not relevant to the software. If you are using software, or avoiding software, because of the political views of the developers then you are misguided at best. (Please, let us not discuss "worst" cases.)

Whatever you think of the politics of the developers, unless it pertains to the CODE it does not affect the product. Code is not liberal or conservative, it is either functional or not, elegant or not, secure or not, etc. Judge the code on merit, not some human's politics.

And if you are working with software that is NOT Open Source, WHY?
 
  


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