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Old 12-23-2003, 09:44 AM   #31
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it hurts me to see that people think that windows is the way to go. Do you not feel as if you dont want to be a drone with windows, the same as everyone else. Yes, linux does have some problems, im having problems with my wireless network in linux, im frustrated, but its a hobby. Did you ever play with train sets when you were little, didnt you wish that something would go wrong so you could fix it, same with the linux community. You have to stick with it, and dont be stupid. never pay for something thats FREE!!!


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Old 12-23-2003, 09:47 AM   #32
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didnt you ever have a model train set as a boy, didnt you just wish something would go wrong so that you can fix it. Thats all we are here, hobbiests that fix problems with our systems. Oh, and dont be an idiot, dont buy something thats FREE!!!
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Old 12-23-2003, 10:42 AM   #33
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never pay for something thats FREE!!!
If you don't give back to the community by developing your own apps or actively help make existing OSS better, then supporting the community by financially supporting OSS, by buying distro's or making a donation, isn't a bad option. Remember a lot of distribution vendors pay OSS developers. If you're not willing to pay by investing your knowledge, time or money, then I still don't have the right to call people idiots, but I am allowed to think they are. Which I'll be thinking out loud, hic et nunc.
 
Old 12-23-2003, 11:00 AM   #34
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Re: Linux Sucks !!!

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Originally posted by pleasehelpme I HAVE TRIED ALL LINUX DISTROS INCLUDING FREEBSD....ETC. NONE OF THE ALL DISTROS WILL TRY TO DO COMPROMISE WITH ME.
Hi, pleasehelpme -

It would be useful if you explained precisely what you did and what happened when you did it.

Take one machine at a time; take one distro (and stick with it) and install it. Read the README and HOWTO and FAQ documents -- they're there just to help you out, and generally you will find them helpful.

A distro like Mandrake should auto-detect your hardware just fine. I use Slackware, but I am comfortable at the command-prompt.

Just for your information, I have successfully run Linux on machines with 8 Megs of RAM and a 80386 chip, on dual P3 machines, and currently on Athlon XP. My particular experience is that it is getting easier and easier to install and more and more capable.

As I said, please tell us something *specific* which is confusing or not working correctly, and we will try to help you. Oh, and please don't use ALL CAPS.

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VIDEO 3D ACCELECTOR GRAPHIC CARD
BUILT IN SOUND
INTERNET CONNECTION

NOT DETECTED AND CONFIG CORRECTLY BY DISTROS !!
Have you searched this group to find your hardware? Perhaps someone has already encountered the same problems and has found a solution? Searching before posting is always a good idea -- I've found solutions to at least a dozen problems before I found a problem that wasn't already listed here.

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I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO INSTALL DRIVERS FROM MACFS. BUT, NONE OF DISTROS WILL ALLOW ME TO INSTALL !!!ALL ERRORS.
I assume you mean HFS (Macintosh file system)? Probably the distros don't have support in their stripped-down kernels for HFS, as it's not commonly used.

I would suggest you burn a CD with the drivers you need (or put them on a MSDOS formatted floppy, if you can).

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I WILL NEVER TRY TO BUY ANOTHER PC JUST BECAUSE I WANNA TRY NEXT LINUX INSTALLATION.
Well, the hardware you list should be more than powerful enough to run Linux very nicely. You might have to install special drivers to get just what you want running, though.

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2 MONTHES DAY AND NIGHT,DOZEN BOOKS...............CDS...........??? AND EVENTURELY FOUND OUT THAT I AM A STUPID PERSON WHO DO TRUST THOSE ALL YOU. TO SAY, LINUX WINS AND WINDOZE SUCKS. SOLID ROCK LINUX SYSTEMS AND KISS THE BLUE SCREEN GOODBYE !!! AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, I HAVE NEVER SEEN BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH IN WINXP IN MY COMPUTER SYSTEM EVER LASTING. NEVER CRASHING.
I am sorry to hear you spent 2 months day and night to no avail. I even find it a little hard to believe, but perhaps you weren't looking in the right places?

Linux is still very much a "techie" OS. You have to get comfortable with it and learn how things work. Some of the newer distros try to shield you from the unix underbelly, but you really should get to know it so you can do things the GUIs won't let you do.

As far as XP crashing.... well, I use XP at work all day long, and I have seen the blue screen often enough (usu. because a driver crashed). And to be fair, I've seen Linux hang solid too (only twice in seven years, once because the harddisk failed catastrophically).

I'm not going to tell you Windows sucks and Linux rocks -- but I will say that to get the most out of either very complex and rich environment, you need to put in the time to understand what it is and how it works. You wouldn't get into an F-16 and give up after an hour of trying to get it airborne and say "it sucks!", would you? Take the time to learn, and you will be rewarded.


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WHY DO U LIKE LINUX ?
Because it does exactly what I want, on reasonable hardware, and very efficiently. Oh, and it's (almost) free.

Because when there is a problem, a fix is almost immediate.

Because I don't have to worry about viruses.

Because I invested sufficient effort in the beginning to learn the command prompt and how things work together, I don't have to scratch my head too often.

Because I can do things on it I cannot do on XP.
 
Old 12-23-2003, 11:13 AM   #35
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i wish i could come to your place and install it right,
i have worked with similar sysytems !
 
Old 12-24-2003, 05:43 PM   #36
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pleasehelpme, while reading your post, i felt your pain. i'm sure almost everyone here been there, done that. one form or another.

before i'd like to share my thoughts with u, lets get this concept clear first:
quote:

WHO SAID LINUX IS OPEN SOURCE,FREE CRASH.CHEAP.....
U GONNA COUNT THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH LEARNING LINUX! BOOKS,TIME ???
MORE DISTROS ARE TRYING TO CHARGE $$$ FROM USER,LIKE I SAID I PAID FOR CDS FOR NOTHING I REALLY NEEDED WORKED

the word "free", isn't meaning free beer, free as you have the freedom to modify the way how you wanted. for example, mplayer .... it was just a simple small movie player, now... if its not the best, it is one of the best unix media player. it plays just about anything if you throw at it. that's where the "Free" power comes from. you can't do that with "powerdvd"... or some other software that is designed for MS

second concept i'd like to share with you, is -do not- look at linux as better OS, rather look at it as a choice other then M$. the reason i say that is because better or not, at the end it depends on personal prespective. you can claimed installing programs in MS is easy, compile in linux kills time, linux guru argue compile give 'em power to customerize the software how they wanted to behave. so don't compare, will never ends...

like me, sometimes i use rpms, sometimes i compile, often time i don't get anything works, and i just can sit there and learn, and be patience. not everyone here is as helpful as you hope, but at least you see everyone is taking their private time and try to make a effort. you gotta give credit for that. do a search under my user name, you know how many of my posts never been answer? people -do not- have to help you or me here, they are helping us because we here as a commuity. (look at it as your church)

finally, i'd like to share my winxp -> linux experience with you, i've always had both M$ and Linux. i never spent as much time as i should in linux back when i was in college beacuse everytime i ran into trouble, i always go back to xp. never really face a real linux problem (i rather go party and stuff) graduated for 2 yrs, can't find a fucking IT job because everywhere tries to tell me i don't have the experience. and the HR are being pain in the ass, so i decided to write my own sever using java and show to potentail employer. guess what, while i got an interview, xp crashed and died on me, when reboot, java complained path problem, i verified several time, path was still there. no matter how i delete path, and reset. my sever won't run because java/bin was not running. all i could do was sit there and bullshit 15 mins in my interview and cross my finger hope they will give me a chance. i drove 2 hrs home w/ tear on my eyes cause M$ let me down while i needed them most.

2 yrs, hardly get a interview, because every company down sized, been working shit jobs left and right, pay checks after pay checks, and when the chance come, that's how M$ treated me. that's when i realized i really need to understand how this thing works, and i deleted xp, and go full time in linux.

like everyone else, i had a lot troubles (i still have tons of troubles) but i can't go back, cause i deleted xp and i swear i won't go back. like everyone else, i work 8 hrs a day, at night i just go home and read LQ and see what i got, read howtos, read google, etc... has been 4 months already, now i'm getting more comforable full time in linux, and i'm ready to drop mdk and go after slackware.

in short, i'm trying to tell you like every good things in life, it takes time, and patiences. "He who Wait will be Rewarded"... (don't know quote by who) if someday you decided give linux a try again. i hope you will have easier time.

-sirpelidor
 
Old 12-24-2003, 10:24 PM   #37
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Oh puhleeze, compared to my first foray into Linux (RedHat 5.1), modern distros are a walk in the park (except maybe gentoo and slackware). I've had more problems getting Windows to work with my hardware than Linux lately. I know the mods are sensitive to useless responses, but this thread smells of a troll. Just so my post isn't completely useless, DON'T USE ALL CAPS.
 
Old 12-25-2003, 05:25 AM   #38
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quote it up!!
I find that the Linux community has been a great help....while trying to teach someone to be a little more self-reliant, which means needing less hand-holding

hand holding is what I needed to get through my installation. I dunno why man it just seemed I had several random errors and stuff.. its cool though cos I got them sorted and now linux is running I will use it more and more. but I still wont get rid of winxp.. I think its sound man.. does all I need. everyone can diss it (and MS in general) but I say fair play man.. windows is their product. it works and if people dont like it, they could just not use it instead of saying things like 'microscum' etc.

merry christmas anyway to everyone!! Get pissed!!!!
 
Old 12-25-2003, 05:59 PM   #39
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Quote:
Originally posted by sirpelidor

while i got an interview, xp crashed and died on me, when reboot, java complained path problem, i verified several time, path was still there. no matter how i delete path, and reset. my sever won't run because java/bin was not running. all i could do was sit there and bullshit 15 mins in my interview and cross my finger hope they will give me a chance. i drove 2 hrs home w/ tear on my eyes cause M$ let me down while i needed them most.

2 yrs, hardly get a interview, because every company down sized, been working shit jobs left and right, pay checks after pay checks, and when the chance come, that's how M$ treated me. that's when i realized i really need to understand how this thing works, and i deleted xp, and go full time in linux.

-sirpelidor [/B]
So what makes you different than any Winxp user who tried linux, couldn't get it to work properly, or even made it crash, because he didn't actually know how to configure it properly?

And, instead of actually finding where the problem is with your java thing, you just vowed to never use that OS again, and switch to another OS... Again, running away from the problem... I had alot of problems with java, including the one you had more than one time, and all i did was sit for hours and figure it out... unfortunately i couldnt find a windows community similar to linuxquestions.org to ask for help.. but in the end luckely enough i figured it out...

You (or anyone else that wants to complain) should be commenting on the things you can't do, or dont have the freedom to do in an OS, rather than blaming it coz you dont really know how to solve a problem.

I meen i stayed up day and night for years just fucking around with win98, me, 2k, xp, to the extent that i know what to tweak, what to do if this or that problem comes up, and hence have a system which is so stable that (i shit you not) for the past year and half i never got hacked, never got BSOD or computer hanging, never got infected big time by a virus, never let a virus spread and fuck my system up... heck i never even restarted computer unless i wanted to install this or that update.

Similarely... if i did exactly what i said with Linux, spending all that time and unbelievable effort to learn as much as i can about it, its working, its tweaking, etc... i would have achieved the same (if not better) results.

There is no black and white answer to all this.. its just how much effort you want to put, and what you really want out of a system... I don't own a buziness, or have bank account details, nor do i really care if i have to restart a system for a critical update... However i do care about the configurability of an OS... Linux gives you far more configurability than Windows.. heck the most annoying thing that led me to try linux instead of xp was the fact that xp never properly saves your window size.. I like them small, but it always goes back to the large ones that fill up your screen no matter what you edit, or save as default...

What if every hardware manufacturer out there released perfect up to date drivers for linux to make it as easy and powerfull as it can be... And what if at the same time Windows made its OS free, with no licences... How would your comments reflect on them and their comparissions then? i meen you shouldnt really hold an OS back just coz you have to pay for it. or you dont really have the sufficiant knowledge at the moment to configure this, or that... you need to put enough effort in both OSes (and any other ones) to make them work efficiently, stabely, and how you want them to... its just that with Linux and XP are completly different approaches.. and this is where everyone sufferes when migrating to and fro xp <> linux.. (this is my oppinion.. and its based on my circumstances.. ), judge an OS buy how comfortable you feel with it.. how much freedom it gives you to do whatever you want.

Then again there are always those who want a nice challenge.. those who have a hobby in computers who wouldnt mind a nice twist, or challenge... Heck you see people climbing up a mountain to get to the other side when you can just fly over... can you really judge them?

I really don't see the point in arguing which OS is better everywhere... You read a post saying this, or a review in some website reading that... well, does that reflect every person who uses a computer? nothing in this world (nothing..) is black and white. nothing is right, or wrong, its just what suits you more with your situations and conditions, with a side order or ethics if you really care about that =]

Also... do you think i would give solaris to my mom who just wants to chat, and send emails to me? Do you think i would run XP on my p2 400 just coz i need it as a gateway? just use common sense really... would you buy a porsche for your grandma who only wants to drive to the corner shop? would you buy a .. bah you get the point =]

btw... i cant sleep so this might all be weird, sense-less or even pointless... but heck im really happy and safe to talk to ppl as open minded as you all are (not as in linux <> xp.. but the way you all actually think) be it if i do have any sense in what i say, or im just an arrogant bastard who cant wake up and see the true cruel world we live in.. but heck, i'll die between now and 130 years old.. so what the heck =]
 
Old 12-25-2003, 06:07 PM   #40
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I didn't read the original post and I won't. There are advocacy forums and newsgroup for that.
 
Old 12-26-2003, 01:31 PM   #41
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Angry

This guy may have done this just to get a rise.

By the way, were you having trouble with installation?

Were you having trouble as a desktop user

Were you having trouble with compiling of programs?

Were you haveing trouble with linux recognizing the latest hardware?

Linux is for those who want to get more out of a pc?

Yes, linux is free. One did not have to purchase the disks or documentation. The documentation is free. The help is Free and generally better than what you would get with a paid for service.

I will agree linux is not for the average user

private message me if I can tender assistance with installation
 
Old 12-26-2003, 03:17 PM   #42
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this thread doesnt seem to be of any help. if ppl want to discuss MS v/s Linux, start another, but "please help me" is not the place for this. i say, close the thread.
 
Old 12-26-2003, 11:56 PM   #43
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Angry sure *nix sukks

Of course *nix sukks. Details aside ( any OS NG will show the pain ... ) that's why only 0.025% of all serious computer users use *nix. Beneath its convoluted, recursive, nested thick skin, it's strictly a byteboyz electro-mechanical blo-up dolly. RedHat DID start to make it a GO, then yanked it away for those who can pay triple-the-tax.

Otherwise, try to get an honest days work out of it. Noway ... none nada nix-----

That said, and SOOO true, what do we do about gropy, powermad Unkil Bill$$$$$ ? He wants total unlimited power over your computing environs, ya know ... Way I see it, only by lusrs paying for and using *nix ( in various "narrowband", appliance roles ) can the Redmond byteperv be controlled.
 
Old 12-27-2003, 07:18 PM   #44
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I don't know if you're still reading or not, pleasehelpme. If not, it's no great loss, since I'm probably still too much of a newbie to be able to offer any specific help.

All I can offer is this: I installed Mandrake 9.1 (the barebones, download edition) on a system that's the merest shadow of yours-- 533MHz, 64MB RAM, 15GB hard drive, stock graphics and sound. I won't pretend that it was flawless; it took three tries to get it right (picked the wrong display options the first time, then picked the wrong mouse setup). I even had one catastrophe a few days after, when (I believe) LILO ate my partition table and forced a reinstall of both Mandrake and Windows. But in the eight months since, Mandrake has worked flawlessly, and has done almost everything I've asked of it with grace and efficiency (by contrast, my brief flirtation with Win XP turned my machine into an aching sluggard and would've cost me weeks in downloading drivers and patches). I can count on both hands the number of times in nearly a year that I've had to boot Windows because there was something I couldn't do with Mandrake.

It's not completely clear to me from your post whether or not you're tried a recent version of Mandrake; if not, you might want to take a look at it.

I am by no means a Linux guru-- I know just enough to seriously screw things up. I wasn't even particularly good with Windows. Learning Linux has made me a better computer user and has even caused me to take some pride in my aging hardware (I have since maxxed out my RAM and am preparing to install a new hard drive, if I can get a little more help with this thread --hint, hint, people. )

Linux isn't for everyone; we all know that. But if you're serious about trying it, I cannot recommend Mandrake 9.1 or above strongly enough. I've tried a few other distros, and none come close, IMHO, to matching the ease of Mandrake's installation and configuration. "Power users" may favor heavier, more technical distributions, but I see myself sticking with Mandrake for a long time to come.

Best of luck, pleasehelpme-- and take care.
 
Old 02-29-2004, 12:47 PM   #45
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I've been running SuSE 8.2 professional for just about 2 weeks, in half an hour I had the basic system installed. In about 2 I had learned enough through MANuals to set up my home network between my Linux system and a WinXP system, not to mention my ADSL router was configured almost automatically... And guess what, no more failing network connections.
I can count by the dozens when my windoze network hung for no apparent reason, ruining many a game of UT and quake. Trying everything imaginable to fix it, giving up and turning of the computers, then after a couple of hours turning the computers back on and Behold, the network was running again!!!
If you can call that windows stability I stick with Linux.
I'm a total newbie yet I've managed to do all that?? like so many others...
I believe the secret is patience and more importantly, that craze to learn, understand and modify...
If your expecting an out of the box PS2, this is the wrong thing...
Of course windoze seems better, they hide catastrophic coding behind a click click interface, simple, secretive, and totally stupid...
Sure, lots of applications, lots of games you don't find in linux. So give linux the same time and we'll see where it goes...

cheers to everyone!!!
 
  


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