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Old 12-21-2003, 02:56 PM   #16
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pleasehelpme, today's motherboards are Plug n Play or we techs like to call it Plug n Pray that makes installing LINUX almost impossible to install. In the BIOS you have to set a few settings before installing LINUX. You have to make sure the BIOS gives out the IRQs because LINUX has not yet came up an easy way to give out IRQs to your devices. Setting some entries in the BIOS is the only half the battle. The other half is where you download from.

I have never used my Windows system. For now I use it as a speaker stand.

Manufactures do not want to support LINUX because they do not want to give their 1000s of windows employee resources to support linux that only needs a dozen.

Ever heard of Knoppix. It should detect all of your hardware without any problems. Great LINUX distribution that runs from a CD that can fix your stupid Windows system.

Please do not come crying to us if Windows trashes your data.

Come to use if you have any problems with UNIX\LINUX.

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....The various distros and great linux community are helping linux evolve so that one day it will rival MS for the desktop....
LINUX already has already rival MS. MS is looking at the code. Novell has picked SUSE to be the LINUX desktop. Now we just need a more efficient (fast, takes very minium memory, takes up less cpu processes, etc) GUI service although its already more efficient than Windows. It just takes baby steps.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 03:59 PM   #17
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Manufactures do not want to support LINUX because they do not want to give their 1000s of windows employee resources to support linux that only needs a dozen.
Manufacturers ARE supporting linux, the problem is all the different variations of distros out there. The big manufacturers can find time to make rpms for all flavours, but if you have a distro thats not listed, they resort to supplying sources to build from scratch. Not very usefull if ur a windows person only used to running an .exe and clicking "Next >>" a few times

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Please do not come crying to us if Windows trashes your data.
oops, a fanboy statement? Tell me the last time you've had windows trash your data? 1999 perhaps? Maybe using ur windows box as a speaker stand ain't such a good idea....magnets you know...

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LINUX already has already rival MS. MS is looking at the code. Novell has picked SUSE to be the LINUX desktop. Now we just need a more efficient (fast, takes very minimum memory, takes up less cpu processes, etc) GUI service although its already more efficient than Windows. It just takes baby steps. [/B]
I agree, MS is taking Linux seriously, and Linux may rival Windows technically, but you go into an office, and stick linux on the desktop and ask the users to get on with their work, you'd probably have a revolt.
My company recently conducted a small study for a client, open source vs Microsoft. The outcome showed that for this client, it would cost MORE money to take them from their existing MS environment and implement and Opensource solution, than to upgrade to whatever MS is offering now. This is mainly due to costs in training users, loss of productivity, application support etc... Now this may not be the case for everyone, but in my experience, it is the trend.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 04:38 PM   #18
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oops, a fanboy statement? Tell me the last time you've had windows trash your data? 1999 perhaps? Maybe using ur windows box as a speaker stand ain't such a good idea....magnets you know...
I didn't lose any data. Earth has a much higher magnetic field. What should I do about that. Add a huge bucking magnet. The magnetic field from my speaker is too weak to go through the metal housing. Windows does not like how I want it to be setup, so it burps.

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Manufacturers ARE supporting linux, the problem is all the different variations of distros out there. The big manufacturers can find time to make rpms for all flavours, but if you have a distro thats not listed, they resort to supplying sources to build from scratch. Not very usefull if ur a windows person only used to running an .exe and clicking "Next >>" a few times
It does not matter what distribution. It matters what kernel version. Thats why Nvidia did a smart way of putting everything in an executable file. kernel.org should find a way to create standard of creating modules, so that any kernel version that you are using you do not have compile for your kernel version. If you want to put the module in the kernel you have to compile the kernel.

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I agree, MS is taking Linux seriously, and Linux may rival Windows technically, but you go into an office, and stick linux on the desktop and ask the users to get on with their work, you'd probably have a revolt.
My company recently conducted a small study for a client, open source vs Microsoft. The outcome showed that for this client, it would cost MORE money to take them from their existing MS environment and implement and Opensource solution, than to upgrade to whatever MS is offering now. This is mainly due to costs in training users, loss of productivity, application support etc... Now this may not be the case for everyone, but in my experience, it is the trend.
I did my report for my classes in LINUX. Also my old powerpoint files can be read in LINUX. My speadsheets can be read in LINUX. I do not have StarOffice so I can not read my access files.

What programs did your company compare if you do not mind me saying. You may send me an e-mail.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 05:29 PM   #19
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In my opinion, MS clearly regognizes the threat that open source OSs are for them. I mean, for heaven's sake, if MS feels forced to fund and execute a (ludicrous) study that says that using FREE software is more expensive than very expensive software, they must be pretty aware of the "shadow" that linux is casting upon them. And they should be shaking as well; I am using Mandrake 9.2 and I have to say, it is very nice to use. I use Windows only when I have to (for sound forge mainly).

The newest fantasy by the PR staff of MS is that using Linux is bad for the employment markets because the folks who develope Linux are not working for anybody. (Whoa! The better solution is to give our money for Microsoft?)

In the future, I am afraid, MS may try to find some legal trick to make open source OS development and distribution difficult.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 07:03 PM   #20
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mate I've been asking the forums for help for a while. not this one admittedly. but they all just give me the same crap and dont appreciate that I dont know how to install a driver or edit a file in linux. I'd like to know cos its probably a good operating system. But until I get some help in a language I can understand (step by step what to type would be great cos then I could see what was going on and learn) I'm gonna stick with windows xp. it doesnt crash and all my hardware (Radeon 9600 in particular - wuite a common problem I have noticed!) works fine straight out of the box. none of this compiling the kernel and rpm nonense. I just double click on the file.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 09:02 PM   #21
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Linux is not as easy as windows for sure, but I've never had any problems installing it. Usually installs straight off the discs. Installed with no problems on my recent nforce2 motherboard. The only time I had installation problems was where I had a cpu installed incorrectly, which was overheating. I never have had to worry about bios settings.

Generally if you are new to linux, its best to install it on a separate partition, so you have a dual boot linux and windows system. I did this and initially spent little time running linux, but after I became more familiar with linux, I came to like using linux more and more, and now I hardly ever boot up on windows.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 09:05 PM   #22
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Originally posted by Velinux
I use Windows only when I have to (for sound forge mainly).
What about the open source alternatives. Do you know about this site which has loads of opensource music resources:

http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
 
Old 12-21-2003, 09:44 PM   #23
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Look at all you people arguing like lil kids over this man.Look windows is good for some people and Linux/Unix is good for some people.Me personly use windows 98 and im sick of it crashing on me (Biostar mother board 256mb ram 40gig hd) and it reallys pisses me off lol that windows only reads 248 mb or ram when there is 256 pc100 ram lol.So about a week after chirstmas when i hopefully get windows xp home for my comp im gonna install mandrake 9.0 or lycoris (i dont no if thats spelt right) if i can get it for free other than the download but if i cant get it ill just put in mandrake and rember this is my first time using a linux system so ill probley be using windows a lot but untill i get used to using linux im sticking with microsoft

Last edited by Mannyakatheman; 12-21-2003 at 09:47 PM.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 09:49 PM   #24
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I believe I speak for everyone when I say to pleasehelp me: "If you're gonna do this, just go fuck yourself for a few minutes instead, all right?"
 
Old 12-21-2003, 10:07 PM   #25
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Originally posted by Mannyakatheman
...windows is good for some people and Linux/Unix is good for some people...this is my first time using a linux system so ill probley be using windows a lot but untill i get used to using linux im sticking with microsoft
This is one of your better posts, Mannyakatheman.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Good Luck to you.
 
Old 12-21-2003, 10:57 PM   #26
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IN MY OPTION, LINUX IS THE WOREST POOR PRODUCTS EVER BUILT IN THE HOLE COMPUTING HISTORY !!!JUST BECAUSE IT CAN'T TREAT GENERAL PUBLIC WELL...
Is that your only reason why............I find that the Linux community has been a great help....while trying to teach someone to be a little more self-reliant, which means needing less hand-holding

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U GONNA COUNT THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH LEARNING LINUX! BOOKS,TIME ???... WHO NEED TO LEARN AND SHOW OF HOW YOU CAN TWEAK LINUX,KERNEL..PROGRAMMING... BEFORE YOU CAN FIGHT WITH LINUX PROBLEMS AND LOSE HEALTH...AND DOING ANTHING?
Being a long-time Windows user and TWEAKER, I've spent countless hours learning the ins and outs of Windows, because Windows stills needs a lot of tweaking to perform it's best, based on what the hardware is, and comes with it's own set of problems. Every operating system has problems......so what's your point ??

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BET ALL OF YOU WHO LOVE LINUX SHOULD BE 95 % WHO WILL STILL KEEP WINXP IN THEIR HARD DRIVE ???
I can't stand WinXP.....it's slow and sluggish compared to Win 2K (my favorite Windows platform) and has more problems as well.....And I'm liking Linux more and more every day.....

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MISS WINDOWS FOR RUNING SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS.
There are quite a few good programs for Linux, Unix, etc., that work better than their Windows' counterparts. And you can run a lot of Windows apps, games and stuff with such programs as Wine, WineX, Crossover.....

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I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT U ANGRY OR NOT.
Who needs to be angry.....you seem to be the angry one

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ONE DAY YOU WILL FIND THAT LINUX DREAM IS NOT WHAT U THINK OF.
Everyone marches to a different drummer, so how could you judge if another's dream is fulfilled or not.......hmmmm


Sincerely.
---thegeekster
 
Old 12-22-2003, 01:06 PM   #27
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Hi there,

Thanks for the link, Sornen! There really is quite a bunch of different sw, hopefully something for serious audio editing.

I just wanted to add to the conversation that often when comparing Linux and Windows, Linux is compared TO Windows. That is, we have an experience of how Windows works. Then we take Linux and see how it is doing the things Windows does.

However, the ideas behind Linux - the logic - is crucially different than the one on Windows. We are-I guess-so used to Win-logic because we get to know it first. Brainwashed.

If coming from Windows and trying Linux, it feels difficult etc. (But I remember when trying windows 3.11 the first time-Jesus, I didn't make any sense to me!) Vice versa, somebody starting with Linux and then hopping into Windows might have to spend an hour or two figuring out how to use it, why there is different drives blah blah (and get frustrated with crushing programs etc.). I think the whole yoke of Linux gets more understandable when the beautiful and solid logic -developed by thousands of coders and tested and improved by now millions of users- reveals itself to the patient user.

In my opinion, open source development is the greatest invention in the computing world since the Internet.
 
Old 12-22-2003, 06:25 PM   #28
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wow guy, relax.. just as for help... im okay.. i had problems, i asked for help
 
Old 12-23-2003, 08:27 AM   #29
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If you want to put the module in the kernel you have to compile the kernel.

eh?
no you don't, you just have to have the kernel source available, most distros keep it in /usr/src for this very purpose.
i had to compile my nvidia drivers for my stock RH9 2.4.20-8, custom 2.4.21,2.4.22,2.4.23, 2.6.0-test9,2.6.0-test11, and my current 2.6.0 stable.
nvidia's installer did it all for me with the 2.4 kernels, i had to patch the source for the 2.6 but everything else was quite literally a matter of running the file and pressing next a few times.
if everybody else used utilities like this to distribute kernel modules, it would be a snap.
 
Old 12-23-2003, 09:11 AM   #30
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Everybody has problems their first time installing a full distro. I don't know of anyone who hasn't (3D drivers, sound problems, partitioning, etc. ). But this guy just wanted to rant. So let him rant, and if he asks for help, then help him. Flaming him for ranting is unhelpful (for him that is,... for you it might get your frustrations out). If on the other hand, you try to help him and he abuses you for it, THEN flaming him is perfectly acceptable in my book.
 
  


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