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Old 08-07-2003, 07:42 AM   #91
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yes. Not used MS-Windows in *any* form for *any* reason in over 12 months.
Old 08-07-2003, 09:54 AM   #92
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It's always horses for courses as far as I can see. I've been struggling to get a linux router/server set up properly and, while I'm almost ready to throw the lot into the river, I still like the way that just about everything seems to be sorted with a simple script. I'd far rather do that than click in a Windows dialogue box and wonder where on earth that response ended up on the system and what it will really do.

I figure I could probably do most of the work I do in my main (time-wise) job on a linux machine, using Open Office where I would mainly use Word/Excel/PowerPoint.

But I would be pushing ball bearings uphill with a pointed stick trying to desktop publish (a large part of my other job) on anything but a Mac or Windows machine -- I use the latter.

Overall, though, I find that Linux suffers to some extent from being designed by geeks. Too many assumptions about the user's probable level of knowledge, or too many sudden inconsistencies in the midst of otherwise admirable consistency. It could do with more usability analysis using select groups of users who have never used linux before.
Old 08-07-2003, 10:00 AM   #93
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I will occasionally boot Windows and attempt to play a game. When everything freezes up or I get the BSOD, I boot back into Linux and stay in that for several more months. I just can't stand instability in software.
Old 09-18-2003, 10:13 PM   #94
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I started into Linux as a dual boot between Win 2K and Mandrake 7 (I think). I just couldn't get into it 100% because it was missing a few things here and there. I eventually had to go to only WinBlows, but grudgingly because the office I was administering was 100% Microsnots - even down to using Access for its databases.

I eventually left there, went back to school and inherited an old laptop. It had Win98 on it (not even SE). I wiped that out and installed a pirated WinME (because that's all it could handle). Eventually I got tired of using a pirated program, so I made the bold move between semesters. I downloaded Mandrake 9.1 and moved to 100% Linux.

I'M SO HAPPY! Gaming can go by the wayside. I'm quite happy Windows-free! I have a few minor complaints, but this board is helping with them.

Now if I could only convince my WIFE to drop her Windows box, we'd have a 100% Linux house.
Old 09-18-2003, 10:31 PM   #95
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I use Linux exclusively. MS and all of their garbage is out of my life forever.

Old 09-18-2003, 10:43 PM   #96
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Wow, this thread is still alive...

I am a linux fan, and for the good part of 2001 and 2002, I was perfectly okay with Red Hat Linux... but then my work demands increased and I found myself having to do a lot of work at home. Also, our office provided me with new software and also some free training...

I switched back...

Am still a fan and am still here, following developments, but right now I just have no reason to use Linux... not even for dual boot... everything I need is on my 2 PCs, some I paid for, some my office did.

Though I had said to myself back then that the only use for Win was for games now, I found no real alternatives for the applications like Dreamweaver, Flash, Fireworks, Pagemaker, and Photoshop... I do know there's the GIMP but Dreamweaver had been a dream and I have been spoiled... I just check the code every now and then, that's all... also Flash... no need to mention games, I don't have time anymore, but when I do... it's easy.

Now for all the recent problems that the M$ OS has had... so far I have had none, thanks to Firewalls and AV programs so basically everything has been smooth for almost 2 years now (since I installed Win2k).

Please don't get me wrong here... As I have said I am a Linux fan and will gladly ditch Win2K, it's just that, from my experience working in publications (web & print), there is no place for it yet. And since my work occupies a significant part of my every waking hour, Linux right now is a novelty for me...

Just looking for a reason to get back to Linux and out of Win... til then...
Old 09-19-2003, 02:55 AM   #97
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Did not use a windows on my home computer for a year and everything is good. I don't find any reason to switch to windows
Old 09-19-2003, 07:19 AM   #98
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bxb32001 and I are in the same boat... linux is a good OS, but doesn't yet support our work. That will always be a drawback. Look at OS/2 -- if you can find it on view anywhere. It was ahead of NT4 in many ways, but there's a limit to what you can do with Lotus Smartsuite.

But debaters of the Windows/Linux question need to think hard about how far Windows 9x is from Windows 2000+. They barely belong in the same posting. W9x is fairly unstable and rather unpredictable -- though a lot depends on how it is set up.

So don't bother comparing W9x as an OS with Linux at all. The real comparison is between the NT series and Linux. Both are capable, both are fairly stable, both are tweakable. Windows is a shop floor sedan, Linux is a hot rod you built in your very own garage. You dont send the Volvo to the Summernats, and you don't take your wife to the opera in the hot rod if it looks like rain.

I like the explicitness of Linux. You can see the motor without a bonnet getting in the way. And I get irritated that Windows has the bonnet welded shut -- except where Bill decided to put in the odd hatch. But that's pretty much it. Windows has less to tempt fiddlers (like myself), and Linux lets you change nearly everything... which makes Windows pretty good in an office full of bored workers, but suits Linux to the boiler room, where the hard work gets done.
Old 09-19-2003, 08:20 AM   #99
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Peter you and I are in the same boat 100% I agreee with you, in our organization we use Linux as servers only and have two Linux workstations and some 40 Windows2K workstations and it is a really good combination, one of the reason we don't have more Linux workstations is the extremly poor Chinese input support and missing fonts, to complicated yo can not print Chinese without a lot of tweking, and you can not install Chinese input support with lost of midifications, but in Windowes2K no problem, so I fully agree, Windows2K is also a good platform, but is also very easy to get virus, our Linux servers just works and works without any problems.
But PLEASE never mention Windows9X as that was never for serious Business issues, only for schools and to play games on, NT4 and NT5 was for business issues, Windows 9X is so unstable, even if installed correct, and mega slow I think it has the same function as a virus to use max resources and max memory, and to slow every thing down. Please don't assiciate Win9X with NT4 or NT5 not in the same boat, XP also is not that good WIN2K is better than XP anyday unless you have 5GB RAM and 200GB hard Disk and a 10GHZ CPU with that configuration I think XP would work....
Old 09-19-2003, 12:58 PM   #100
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i just got completely rid of my windowz partition..
but i should admit that win2k was (and still is..) a great os..
imho the best micro$oft ever produced.

but linux is far better.. only more difficult to use at first..
even gaming is no more such a problem thanx to native support or better emulation.. is growing everyday and will never stop!!
Old 09-20-2003, 01:23 AM   #101
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Once again, I agree with smazzux in moxst respects. There are times when I would like to get rid of Windows because I think it, and the software it supports, are going in the wrong direction.

I use W2K now, I like it, and I find it's the best way ahead for my desktop at the moment.

And I have Mandrake8 on the router/server at home, and I keep forgetting it is running. No doubt I could do on it all the things that smazzux does on his linux machine and I do on my W2K machine.

My problem -- the same problem as awtoc 123 and bxb32001 share with me -- is with the things I do on W2K and smazzux probably doesn't even think are worth doing! As to gaming, IIRC, my first solitaire was a DOS program, so the platform is pretty immaterial to me (I got over role playing and stuff like that about 30 years ago).

W2K is pretty stable... I run this machine for a week or so between reboots and they are as likely to be because I decided to install some free utility as because I had lost half the icons (which occasionally haoppens.)

Mandrake is also pretty stable, as long as I don't touch harddrake, which brings the whole machine to such a standstill that I have to do a reset with resultant complaints from the filesystem. Peronally I'd rather have a few icons go belly-up!

So... horses for courses etc.
Old 09-20-2003, 02:11 AM   #102
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I agree W2K is OK, a sort of stable until it get a virus then we have problems, or if yuo need to re-install W2K, then it takes hours before everything is back to as it was. In Linux to re-instal it only takes some 20 Min and everything is back to normal, you never loose you r desktop or short cuts or mails or anything that is great, but with W2K if you follower the standard Microsoft recomended installation, yor would loose everything if you had to re-install W2K. With Linux just don't format the home parttion, and everything would be working after re-install.
Old 09-20-2003, 02:38 AM   #103
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I wish I could switch directly to Linux and ditch Windows.
Linux just isn't up to speed with everything yet. Maybe for people who have older hardware. I am the type to always have the newest hardware though, and unfortunately the manufactuors don't support linux well.
For instance: I have a wireless router (got it for free) not supported by SMC (although they promised soon they would have a driver) Also, ATI is behind in their drivers, they finally barely released an update.
I did get some games to work, the ones that are supported by linux, and I like it when I'm able to do that.
But, when Half-life 2 comes out, and Doom 3, I'll be in Windows for most of that.
WineX? don't think I should pay for anything just to do something I can normally do for free.
The bottom line is that without companies $upport, Linux will be behind. And if there is no profit for the company they won't support it. IBM supports it but they have nothing better to do.
Old 09-20-2003, 05:48 AM   #104
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I still need to:

- speed up boot/startup
- make the system shut down automatically (need to install APM/ACPI)
- I don't like the chinese interface, I would be happier if all programs are in english interface with the ability to switch input method between spanish, chinese and japanese.
(If linux is really good in jpn/chi/kor display, the asia governments don't need to join force to make another new linux based OS)

I am a noob who don't play games, so there are no real reasons to use freebsod. k3b burn CD fast, mplayer has smooth playback, gaim can connect to icq/msn/yahoo, mozilla eliminate stupid popups, there are script languages to learn and free open office.


when my ISP has troubles, RH boot up really slow and I would boot up in windows to see what has happened to my ISP.

Last edited by codec; 09-20-2003 at 05:50 AM.
Old 09-20-2003, 06:38 AM   #105
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Well......If it were up to me, I'd say...Yes I'd be able to stay without Windows.

The opensource community has made such a tremendous effort to boost linux. Vendors like RedHat, Mandrake, Suse....they have made life much simpler for the average techie. There used to be times, when one had to stay on the shell and keep on giving commands and commands to get the smallest of job done. But see, today, people like me can work equally well with linux, doing all those jobs which I used to do with Windows and end up getting frustrated due to explorer crashes, Blue screen of death errors etc....Thats gone.....Linux is stable...and does not complain at all...

But, on a different note, if we notice, that Microsoft has done a lot for computing in general....It has enabled those people, who havent even had their basic education, to actually start using computers for doing their business and small work, which is quite an achievement.

I can live without Windows because I know I can work around a bit and get my job done with help from guys at the forums and the open source community. But not everyone has the ability to strive deep into things. For such people Windows is better.

And the most important thing that i feel is....In today's competitive world, you cannot eliminate the share of any single vendor...(be it Soft Drinks, Consumer Electronics, or any other field...)....even IT Vendors behave the same way.

Thats why, Microsoft cannot be eliminated from the IT industry. But yes, more and more people can use linux for their daily use as well as more sophisticated use, and reduce the share and monopoly that Microsoft has in the IT market.

In fact it provides us an alternative to come back into this forum from Windows and post the problem which we face with our linux box.



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