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business_kid 01-02-2021 11:48 AM

Life expectancy of the UK Government?
 
It seems to me that while many British are relieved to be out of the EU, that he present Government may well have the terminal disease of Brexit.

They currently have a Parliamentary majority of 80, so they can afford many rebels before they lose Parliament, but the Tories are hard on losers. They want to Govern. Labour will back losers, but not the Tories.

As Britons get accustomed to life outside the EU in 2021,they may begin to regret their rush to part. This super-infectious strain of Covid will hardly help. All those changes will hit them in the pocket, and they are paying into the EU still. The rest of the UK (North of Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Gibraltar, etc.) seem to be financial liabilities, not assets. It's too early to know, that's why it's interesting to speculate.
  1. How Long will Boris last?
  2. Will the Government see out it's term?

DavidMcCann 01-02-2021 12:39 PM

I'm not going to regret Bretix. We originally joined the European Economic Community, not a political Union — no-one asked our opinion on that change.

Why should the Conservative MPs rebel? About what?

As for the other nations:
> Wales voted for Brexit, just as we did.
> Northern Ireland? Ireland can have that on a plate as far as I'm concerned, though why anyone would want a place with the Orange Order and Arlene Foster is beyond me.
> Scotland? Propped up with English taxpayers' money, yet they never stop whinging. I wouldn't miss them.

jsbjsb001 01-02-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMcCann (Post 6203005)
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> Scotland? Propped up with English taxpayers' money, yet they never stop whinging. I wouldn't miss them.

If the Scottish National Party gets their way, I think they'll be happy to say goodbye to you...

ondoho 01-02-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 6202974)
As Britons get accustomed to life outside the EU in 2021,they may begin to regret their rush to part.

It was hardly a rush!
And the regret was palpable almost from the beginning; they had the results of the referendum, and democracy kinda demands to stick to that, even though it was brainfarted by one politician and influenced by Cambridge Analytica.
And that's what they're going to do now, for better or worse.
I'm just curious to see how they spin it when the economy starts to tumble. Some are certainly going to blame the EU for that... :rolleyes:

Is it fair to say that Brexit broke Theresa May's political career? Maybe Boris' will break too. But that still doesn't change a thing. Sorry, guys. Brits.

petelq 01-02-2021 05:21 PM

For many centuries we were a successful little island and were members of the Eu for 48 years. Less than that, actually, because as the op said we only became part of a union some time after we joined the eec.
There are 27 nations in the Eu and a world full of nations outside. We are now one of those and will no doubt prosper.

frankbell 01-02-2021 09:25 PM

I fear that Western countries are forgetting the lesson of World War II, that is, that cooperation is necessary for survival and peace.

I think it unlikely that Britain will return to its days of Empire by isolating itself from its next-door neighbors.

And don't get me started about what's been going on in my own country.

Just my two cents.

fatmac 01-03-2021 05:42 AM

We should have left after the vote - no deals - this 'deal' is going to be our downfall!

May/Johnson have ruined us....

Scotland has no money, the oil was sold off years ago, the fish have been plundered by the French, they only have whiskey left.

Northern Ireland has been nothing but 'trouble' & 'money' since Eire gained their independence.

Wales wants what? They have nothing either.

England is ruled by rich idiots, who say one thing, & then do other things - Brexit & Cummings being prime examples!

What have any of us got to look forward to..... just this virus, debt, & poverty.

Life is so wonderful...... :lol::rolleyes:

business_kid 01-03-2021 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6203162)
It was hardly a rush!
And the regret was palpable almost from the beginning; they had the results of the referendum, and democracy kinda demands to stick to that, even though it was brainfarted by one politician and influenced by Cambridge Analytica.
And that's what they're going to do now, for better or worse.
I'm just curious to see how they spin it when the economy starts to tumble. Some are certainly going to blame the EU for that... :rolleyes:

Is it fair to say that Brexit broke Theresa May's political career? Maybe Boris' will break too. But that still doesn't change a thing. Sorry, guys. Brits.

Well, the British posters still like it, that's for sure. Maybe when the solids have been hitting the ventilation for a while, there will be a change of mind. But posters will naturally be loath to admit error. That's what keeps politics amusing. It will be interesting to wake this subject up in the future. We get caught in Ireland. We have the only land border with the EU, and we can't police or close it. Neither can the UK. One road in particular crosses the border several times, and the only way you know is that the speed limit changes from km/h to mph.

One immediate effect was this. I pressed "buy now" in Ebay & Amazon on a 3d printer. On Ebay, it was 380 (=425) +84.71 in 'global shipping' which I am supposed to but don't get back. On Amazon, the charge was 42, and they say on the page that it's not taken out of my card if not needed (which it isn't). So Ebay has excluded itself from my options.

petelq 01-03-2021 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbell (Post 6203219)
I fear that Western countries are forgetting the lesson of World War II, that is, that cooperation is necessary for survival and peace.

We fully intend to cooperate with EU and the rest of the world. Members countries of the EU can only cooperate with each other and the bureaucrats in Brussels decide for them whether to cooperate with rest of the world.
I don't think we ever intended to rebuild an empire.

ondoho 01-03-2021 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by petelq (Post 6203350)
Members countries of the EU can only cooperate with each other and the bureaucrats in Brussels decide for them whether to cooperate with rest of the world.

That's... less than a half-truth.

It's fun to hear the familiar nationalist waffle out of a different corner for once (I know, inhabitants of the British isles probably hear this every day).

business_kid, what are "British posters"?
I get the drift, but haven't heard that term before.

DavidMcCann 01-03-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6203162)
And the regret was palpable almost from the beginning; they had the results of the referendum, and democracy kinda demands to stick to that, even though it was brainfarted by one politician and influenced by Cambridge Analytica.

We expressed our opinion three times:
1. the referendum
2. the last EU parliamentary election, where the Brexit party topped the poll in every English region except London
3. the last Westminster election, where the clearly pro-Brexit Conservatives increased their majority and the pro-EU Liberals barely held their few seats.

petelq 01-03-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6203367)
That's... less than a half-truth.

OK. I may have over-simplified.
My point was in response to frankbell. We are perfectly capable of building worldwide relationships without trying to create an empire and without brussel's bureaucracy. The British Empire died off long before we joined the eec.
Like USA, Canada, Australia ... we can deal with the world on our own. Just watch us!

business_kid 01-03-2021 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by petelq
business_kid, what are "British posters"?
I get the drift, but haven't heard that term before.

Posters on LQ who apparently hail from the pro-Brexit parts of the UK, or those from anywhere who express similar loyalties. I invented the term but should have been clearer. There are anti-Brexit parts of the UK, you know.

People outside the UK are more inclined to see this as one of life's great gambles. And since the US Presidential election has descended into occasional nasty outbursts of Sore Loser Syndrome, Brexit is conveniently timed

JSB 01-03-2021 03:03 PM

I think government in GB will live. But because Brexit and covid, economy will go down a little bit.

linuxlivecd 01-03-2021 03:17 PM

The government will remain until the next election.


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