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Old 07-18-2017, 02:33 PM   #16
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Yes it seems to me that whether the Government controls the Means of Production or vice versa, the result is the same - Fascism. Please do not misunderstand me. In many areas I am not only not a Leftist but further to the Right than a bicycle on the Autobahn. I have great confidence in Capitalism... BUT... I also recognize that it is not without flaws of the human sort and must be reigned in from time to time, just like almost any institution over time.
Youtube is there because of capitalism.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 03:37 AM   #17
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YouTube: Generally disallows copyrighted content and has rather extreme systems to detect copyrighted material and take it down.

ROM Downloads: Contrary to the beliefs spread by certain ROM sites, ROM downloads are not legal since the games are only licensed to be played on the cartridge or disc that you paid for.

Vimeo: Doesn't allow any copyrighted content except game play, everything else is copyright-free as far as I know.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 01:14 PM   #18
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YouTube: Generally disallows copyrighted content and has rather extreme systems to detect copyrighted material and take it down.

ROM Downloads: Contrary to the beliefs spread by certain ROM sites, ROM downloads are not legal since the games are only licensed to be played on the cartridge or disc that you paid for.

Vimeo: Doesn't allow any copyrighted content except game play, everything else is copyright-free as far as I know.
Youtube is full of pirate. Copyright & Freedom should be to remove Youtube from landscape of Internet.
Same for facebook.

Internet should be legal, so, as informatics and operating systems free and available for everyone. Like education should be, free and for everyone that can intellectually.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 01:31 PM   #19
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You'd NEVER get arrested for ANY copyright violation, even if you were selling bootleg Star Wars DVDs or Blu-Rays out of the back of a van. That's a civil not criminal violation.
That may well be strictly true as the arrest warrent may be for something like "forgery" but, rest assured, people have gone to prison for it.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 01:41 PM   #20
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That may well be strictly true as the arrest warrent may be for something like "forgery" but, rest assured, people have gone to prison for it.
There is no prison for youtube, since you wouldn't find it:

A very simple example:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=full+movie

"Oh, man, there is so much pirate on it!"

Which makes it "Money rules the world and laws are somehow guided by money."
 
Old 07-20-2017, 01:45 PM   #21
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There is no prison for youtube, since you wouldn't find it:

A very simple example:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=full+movie

"Oh, man, there is so much pirate on it!"

Which makes it "Money rules the world and laws are somehow guided by money."
Indeed YouTube, as a Google business, does the whole " we can't police it all" and then just drops content when made aware that the content requires a license they do not have.
However, I was replying to the suggestion that "breach of copyright" would not lead to jail or prison time -- a quick google disputes that.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 01:51 PM   #22
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Indeed YouTube, as a Google business, does the whole " we can't police it all" and then just drops content when made aware that the content requires a license they do not have.
However, I was replying to the suggestion that "breach of copyright" would not lead to jail or prison time -- a quick google disputes that.
It is wondering that everyone can post any kind of movies (full movie), so vastly.
Somehow, reason isn't money making? Law and politics close the eyes for what they want.
 
Old 07-20-2017, 08:50 PM   #23
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Youtube is there because of capitalism.
Of course I realize that and support the concept entirely. I have no problem with YouTube beyond their ridiculous judgment allowing advertisements to interrupt right in the middle of music and stating this can be fixed (along with other interruptions) by "going red" (paying money) but that is apparently a falsehood, since I know people who have bought red and told me not to bother for this very reason.

My problem is with Corporations altering Law, in this case Copyright Law, to effectively destroy the dual purpose reason Patents and Copyrights were ever invented. FWIW this is exactly why it took almost 300 years for Man to rediscover the recipe for concrete after Rome fell. The Guilds keeping it "close to the vest" made it impossible for Average Joe to employ such an important benefit for many generations after all the men protecting and profiting from it were long dead. History would be very different (and I submit better) had such secrets had an expiration date where they passed into the Public Domain. See The Statute of Anne (1710)for an interesting History lesson.
 
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Indeed YouTube, as a Google business, does the whole " we can't police it all" and then just drops content when made aware that the content requires a license they do not have.
However, I was replying to the suggestion that "breach of copyright" would not lead to jail or prison time -- a quick google disputes that.
thx. I ll have a look.

So then, if it is largely illegal, why Youtube isn't being closed (simply)?

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Old 07-21-2017, 01:53 AM   #25
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thx. I ll have a look.

So then, if it is largely illegal, why Youtube isn't being closed (simply)?
Because Google do not post the comment, their users do. So, as I mentioned, Google claim it is impossible to check every upload for breach of copyright so "don't know the video is there" until alerted, at which point they stop hosting it immediately.
Some illegal content is also altered, such as adding borders or just clipping off the ends or adding extra video so that any automated system would not match it to copyright content.
The people who are jailed for breach of copyright are the ones recording films in cinemas, selling unauthorised copies of DVDs or selling Kodi boxes.
 
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Because Google do not post the comment, their users do. So, as I mentioned, Google claim it is impossible to check every upload for breach of copyright so "don't know the video is there" until alerted, at which point they stop hosting it immediately.
Some illegal content is also altered, such as adding borders or just clipping off the ends or adding extra video so that any automated system would not match it to copyright content.
The people who are jailed for breach of copyright are the ones recording films in cinemas, selling unauthorised copies of DVDs or selling Kodi boxes.
So the owner of the website says "it's not my fault, sorry, that's the users that put some illegal stuffs"

Come on. this is really easy. Youtube should be closed. it is illegal.
 
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Google are kinda responsible for what is uploaded but in the end they don't just ignore all abuse reports and actually do have systems in place to try to take down copyrighted material. Plus we'd lose a LOT of original content if we were to close down YT. Many tutorials etc. in video form aren't anywhere else.
 
Old 07-21-2017, 02:31 AM   #28
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Google are kinda responsible for what is uploaded but in the end they don't just ignore all abuse reports and actually do have systems in place to try to take down copyrighted material. Plus we'd lose a LOT of original content if we were to close down YT. Many tutorials etc. in video form aren't anywhere else.
But, still, there is a vast amount of illegal material.
 
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As I understand it. Youtube entered into an agreement whereby they pay royalties a few years ago. However, if someone believes their work has been compromised they have the burden to show cause to remove.
 
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So the owner of the website says "it's not my fault, sorry, that's the users that put some illegal stuffs"

Come on. this is really easy. Youtube should be closed. it is illegal.
Yes and people with severe illness should just kill themselves <sarc>. The point is the "cure" is worse than the "disease" and "Be careful what you wish for". I don't want any person or group of people to have the power to arbitrarily "close" YouTube. When given a choice between ersatz parents and freedom of speech and choice, I'd rather be an "orphan".... and Free.
 
  


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