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cryptision@gmail.com 07-05-2008 02:12 PM

laptop donation?
 
Would anyone consider donating a laptop to an individual living in a homeless shelter. This person is needing something to further his education and to be able to better hunt for good jobs.

SlowCoder 07-05-2008 09:21 PM

There are numerous organizations that are designed to assist people onto their feet. They can provide access to jobs, clothing, technologies, etc. There are also places like Goodwill and Salvation Army that sell things very cheaply to those in need.

No offense to you, but you are a 0 post user. We don't know you. How can we know that a donated laptop would be going where you say, and not being sold for profit?

bashyow 07-05-2008 09:26 PM

donate a laptop to a homeless person? dont they first need food and shelter?

this reminds me of that laptop for every child in africa thing or whatever it is, probably THE most rediculous unworkable idea ive ever heard, half those people dont even have enough food to eat everyday, how long do you think its gonna be before the laptop is sold to buy a cow or something more practical?

i do know that mobile phones have helped business enormously in some african countries, but laptops in underdeveloped countries? i dont think thats a great idea.

vharishankar 07-06-2008 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bashyow (Post 3205199)
donate a laptop to a homeless person? dont they first need food and shelter?

this reminds me of that laptop for every child in africa thing or whatever it is, probably THE most rediculous unworkable idea ive ever heard, half those people dont even have enough food to eat everyday, how long do you think its gonna be before the laptop is sold to buy a cow or something more practical?

i do know that mobile phones have helped business enormously in some african countries, but laptops in underdeveloped countries? i dont think thats a great idea.

Do you think that it's wrong for homeless people to dream of a good education and success in a career after education or some comforts and luxuries that most of us take for granted? Or by any chance is your only view of homeless people those who beg on the streets for a living?

What makes privileged folk imagine that people living in poverty have no right to think of or aspire for anything except food and shelter? Are they animals, by any chance?

Sure, I understand that the first priority of every human being is food and shelter, but poverty or circumstances do not imply that the person is reduced to a state of animal-like existence where he/she thinks of nothing but the next meal. Human beings aspire for higher things in life, whether their basic needs are satisfied or not. It's a fact that a lot of people living in abject poverty have big dreams whether it's fulfilled or not.

If a laptop empowers or educates a homeless person and will help this person gain some purpose in life, why not donate one?

But I agree with SlowCoder's point of view. A linux forum is not the best place to solicit for donations...

aysiu 07-06-2008 01:06 AM

http://www.accrc.org/ will donate used computers to people under a financial strain. They have to fill out an application. This is for the San Francisco Bay Area only, but there may be organizations in other parts of the world, too, that would be able to help out here.

You don't even mention what part of the world this "homeless person" lives in. Do you realize this is an international forum?

H_TeXMeX_H 07-06-2008 04:38 AM

Ask Bill Gates, he has more money than I do.

ErV 07-06-2008 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 3205374)
Ask Bill Gates, he has more money than I do.

Some people throw computers from the windows just to make video for youtube. So I guess acquiring functional laptop for free is possible. However such "free laptop" will be old.

RHLinuxGUY 07-06-2008 04:45 PM

I thought real idea with the OLPC was to help educate children who are able to feed themselves and have a home, yet not have access to schooling like we do over here in the states, and elsewhere?

bashyow 07-06-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by harishankar (Post 3205282)
Do you think that it's wrong for homeless people to dream of a good education and success in a career after education or some comforts and luxuries that most of us take for granted? Or by any chance is your only view of homeless people those who beg on the streets for a living?

What makes privileged folk imagine that people living in poverty have no right to think of or aspire for anything except food and shelter? Are they animals, by any chance?

erm, practicality? the realitys of life?

they need their basic needs met first, food, water, shelter, basic education, healthcare, infrastructure. where do the homeless even plug the laptop into? given that they are homeless?

harishankar, when this homeless person recieves the laptop, what do they do with it? do they suddenly start buying stock? with what money? if theyre homeless its probable that they are jobless too. maybe they open an online bookstore? where will their start-up money come from to buy the books in the first place? who will buy the books? given that this is africa and alot of people cant even afford to eat everyday?

vharishankar 07-07-2008 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bashyow (Post 3206019)
erm, practicality? the realitys of life?

they need their basic needs met first, food, water, shelter, basic education, healthcare, infrastructure. where do the homeless even plug the laptop into? given that they are homeless?

harishankar, when this homeless person recieves the laptop, what do they do with it? do they suddenly start buying stock? with what money? if theyre homeless its probable that they are jobless too. maybe they open an online bookstore? where will their start-up money come from to buy the books in the first place? who will buy the books? given that this is africa and alot of people cant even afford to eat everyday?

The OP has said that this person is living in a "Homeless Shelter" and wants to further his education and feels a laptop will help him. Do you want to know the exact details of what this user will install on his system once he gets it and how many hours a day he will use it? Once you donate wholeheartedly, how does it bother you?

Do you think being privileged somehow gives you the right to dictate that people living in poverty have no right to access technology? Who said that this person doesn't have any access to basic needs?

And even if the person's basic needs are not being taken care of, how does that affect his/her desire to study and become educated?

Do you have any idea of the theories of human pyschology/behaviour to make this categorical statement?

I've known of people living in the utmost poverty studying hard and succeeding even when their more privileged brethen just take education so casually. For poor people, education is like a passport to a better world because they feel their life will improve. That is sufficient inducement to aspire, is it not?

Once again, homeless, in this instance != Living on the streets. He probably has people caring for his basic needs but has no resources to further his/her education. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. How exactly does that bother you? The request was for a laptop donation -- nothing more or less. The original poster didn't invite you to lecture on the hardships of life or your own philosophies.

You're generalizing and assuming too many things... There's no need to get overly analytical. If you can donate something, donate. Otherwise just ignore it. No harm in that, is there?

bashyow 07-07-2008 03:54 AM

my apologies harishankar,

i think that ive misread or misunderstood the OP's original post.

i thought this person was classically homeless, and not having his basic needs met.

although to be honest, i think if this person IS having all their basic needs met, they should now be looking for work, and pay for their own laptop.

giving it to a school or a charity is a better use of the laptop imo.

i certainly wouldnt deny anyone the benefit of the internet, if its at the right time for them, basic needs being met.

again, apologies for the misunderstanding.

elliott678 07-07-2008 04:37 AM

Any city big enough for a homeless shelter is going to have a public library with internet access.

vharishankar 07-07-2008 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bashyow (Post 3206301)
my apologies harishankar,

i think that ive misread or misunderstood the OP's original post.

i thought this person was classically homeless, and not having his basic needs met.

although to be honest, i think if this person IS having all their basic needs met, they should now be looking for work, and pay for their own laptop.

giving it to a school or a charity is a better use of the laptop imo.

i certainly wouldnt deny anyone the benefit of the internet, if its at the right time for them, basic needs being met.

again, apologies for the misunderstanding.

No problem :D

Your points are entirely valid, but those are of a general nature and I feel it's not necessary to point them out. If a person was struggling to eat a meal a day, I don't think he/she would be asking for a laptop anyway, unless that person is exceptionally talented and wants desperately to educate himself/herself.

I just think that poverty should not be a barrier to a person's education though that's rarely the case in reality.

ErV 07-07-2008 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bashyow (Post 3206019)
harishankar, when this homeless person recieves the laptop, what do they do with it?

Even with a very old laptop it is be possible to get some kind of freelance job (after you've learned some useful skills, of course).


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