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Yes, sundialsvcs, every day above ground is a good one. Just consider the alternatives. I don't fear nor obsess on death. I just wish it didn't last so damned long However if wishes were horses.... we'd all look like Monty Python Knights.
As for scientific premises being falsifiable, that's ridiculous. The origin of life on Earth by natural means (i.e. Without God) is a ridiculous and chemically impossible, but unfalsifiable notion. Scientists can't even put together a hypothesis = "Maybe it happened this way..." Much less can they put forward a proof.
To which you replied in post #100
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Absolutely untrue. Every year we get closer to a complete OOL.
Right then, post your references to the peer reviewed papers that prove Life originated spontaneously. As I'm a generous man, I'll even accept a detailed hypothesis that grasps all the nettles showing how life could have come into existence.
More than once I have asked for such,and you can never produce what doesn't exist, because the OOL by chemical means is an unfalsifiable falsehood. And large parts of science are built on that lie. So why put your hand out to be slapped? are you trolling again? As one of our comedians pointed out
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Originally Posted by Maureen Potter
It's better to keep your mouth closed and look a fool, than to open your mouth - and prove it!
In all fairness it is possible that some Creator had a Master Plan that involved a 38.000.000.000 year preface to the climax of that asteroid to make it possible for humans to exist but that can't make sense to my Earthbound puny human brain. Everything I see in event progressions, one thing follows another, and only when "all the ducks are in a row".
Ah, some humility at last! I like that!.
Paul describes Christ, the new Adam, as having come "in the fullness of time", i.e. at what God considered the proper time and not before. Why should that not also have been true of the old Adam, our human race? Why must God be in a perpetual hurry just because you are?
Yes, business_kid, "closer", not wrapped up in a bow as you seem to prefer. Your view seems to be "We can't explain how life sprung up, therefore God did it" It's the ultimate Deus Ex Machina. This just in - We don't know everything..... but we're gaining on it. Corollary: Supernatural superstition is counter-productive. Speaking of "counter" please cite a solid verifiable reference for
"The origin of life on Earth by natural means (i.e. Without God) is a ridiculous and chemically impossible,"
Note: I'm not saying Creation is impossible, just unverifiable and unlikely, while you insist that everything and everyone else is dead wrong except YOUR cult's specific creation myth. How utterly humble of you
At last? I thought humility is infused in everything I write on philosophical subjects. and to some degree, even in the purely scientific. Hunmmans have come a very long way in a very short time and primarily due to Science and a tenacious nature to make up for our lack of tooth and nail... BUT, that's entirely on our own standards. There are quite a few species of animals, some still in existence today, that are essentially uncahnged for many millions of years. That's fact. What isn't yet a fact is how long humans will continue.
I don't see Science as being all-powerful or deserving of what some people in other threads refer to as "the religion of Science". The scientific method as practiced by actual humans if full of faults and only progresses in very small steps, with lots of abandoned paths, mistakes, and rabbit holes. It's just the time-tested best tool we have. At it's best, I see real Science and real scientists as inherently humble.
If I may kindly ask, "who is this 'Saul/Paul' fellow, anyway? How did this single person, who proclaimed himself to be "an apostle" based only on an on-the-road encounter that only he related, subsequently become entitled to write the entire so-called "New Testament?"
It sure sounds like "Roman State Politics" to me!
When Emperor Constantine had finally had his fill of the "Church equals State" status quo which had existed at the time, he replaced the previous pantheon of "Roman gods" with a new system that was based on a regional cult that had emerged in an out-of-the-way and difficult-to-control province of the Empire. This cult was based on a 33-year-old kid who had once again claimed to be "the King of the Jews."
The entire story was based on the premise that he had "risen from the dead," although he never thereafter manifested himself (unlike Lazarus ...) in a clearly-physical form.
Ummm I never said that, sundialsvcs. That was hazel. I'm fully aware that the most likely reason the gospels describe Jesus differently is because those disciples spoke to different crowds.
I'm fully aware that the most likely reason the gospels describe Jesus differently is because those disciples spoke to different crowds.
It's worth pointing out that Paul's epistles came first. They are the earliest Christian documents that we have. The Jesus they testify to is the earliest Jesus that anyone knew about outside of Palestine. The gospels were written a few decades later, towards the end of the first century, when the original eyewitnesses were dying out and the world (contrary to expectation) still hadn't come to an end.
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