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Old 11-29-2015, 05:07 AM   #16
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Well personally I dont care if the product is proprietary as long as it can get the job done.
Say what you will about chrome but I think its solution to the issue of flash is the best one yet due to it actually having real world results.
I dont care if its in house flash doesnt support DRM on linux right now but once flash stops being a standard I dont think that will be an issue for long, but it having its own in house version of flash is a small step to solving the issue of flash in general.
Start with what people want for now, use flash and java whatever until it cant be used and phase them out which chrome is doing slowly but surely.
It will be at least another two maybe three years until flash is likely to be killed off, so I am willing to work with what i can to do the results I want.
I still want the ability to watch things like my google play content, so far no other browser on linux has been able to do and it seems like hell will freeze over until Mozilla gets shumway in line and makes DRM content available for linux.
I dont care about DRM right now but I will be there when the inevitable of Mozilla stabbing us in the back for good by killing firefox on linux and making it OSX and windows only due to its approach to DRM.
Meanwhile let Chrome run on my system for as long as possible then find a alternative if a viable one becomes availible, chromium comes close yes but i do use netflix.
its just a sad state of affairs that i trust google more then Mozilla right now, at least with them I know I am getting a poisoned browser, Mozilla just seems to slowly put the arsinic into the drink slow poison as opposed to googles cyanide approach
That's just fabulous, thanks. Nice to see that the film company lawyers have converted at least one person. It's just lovely to see somebody so in the thrall of corporations.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 05:12 AM   #17
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Its not like I am in love with DRM, dont misread me but I still like watching movies and TV and outside of Piracy and paying boatloads of money to some cable company there isnt too much choice.
Sadly DVD is a dying format, blu ray barely works on Linux, so choice three is streaming.
I choose streaming, as unlike optical media I can use it on any device I wish and unlike piracy I wont spend time in jail.
Rather stream from google then pay $150 for 800 channels with nothing on them except for reality tv.
I am a movie buff, compromises have to be made for me.
I am a realist, the world wont go linux ever but we can try to mire the marsh and lob off heads if needed.

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Old 11-29-2015, 05:33 AM   #18
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Its not like I am in love with DRM, dont misread me but I still like watching movies and TV and outside of Piracy and paying boatloads of money to some cable company there isnt too much choice.
Sadly DVD is a dying format, blu ray barely works on Linux, so choice three is streaming.
I choose streaming, as unlike optical media I can use it on any device I wish and unlike piracy I wont spend time in jail.
Rather stream from google then pay $150 for 800 channels with nothing on them except for reality tv.
I am a movie buff, compromises have to be made for me.
I am a realist, the world wont go linux ever but we can try to mire the marsh and lob off heads if needed.
But you seem to blame Mozilla for the current situation. I will be quite happy if/when I can watch things like Netflix in Firefox but the thing to bear in mind is that his is a situation caused by scum lawyers.
 
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But you seem to blame Mozilla for the current situation. I will be quite happy if/when I can watch things like Netflix in Firefox but the thing to bear in mind is that his is a situation caused by scum lawyers.
Well the worst is that Mozilla has not shown initiative in its attempts to solve the issue, again they seem to be dragging their feet on shumway and have offered little to us in proving that DRM content can be playable in other OS's other than windows.
They offer us no tangible solid evidence they are trying the remedy the issues meanwhile google at this time has its own solutions in place with real world results I can visibly see.
I dont want to wait until Mozilla gets its act together, and why should I just to stick to open source only and live in a fantasy land?
Get real the day that the world gives two craps about linux is the day hell freezes over.
I will deal with the tools that I have rather then wait till one finally gets invented.
I love linux, dont get me wrong but the world doesnt wok the way we want it.

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Old 11-29-2015, 11:00 AM   #20
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Well the worst is that Mozilla has not shown initiative in its attempts to solve the issue, again they seem to be dragging their feet on shumway and have offered little to us in proving that DRM content can be playable in other OS's other than windows.
They offer us no tangible solid evidence they are trying the remedy the issues meanwhile google at this time has its own solutions in place with real world results I can visibly see.
I dont want to wait until Mozilla gets its act together, and why should I just to stick to open source only and live in a fantasy land?
Get real the day that the world gives two craps about linux is the day hell freezes over.
So you think that open source isn't worth it? You think that all software ought to be proprietary and that all content should have DRM forever?
If you don't then you should be thankful that Mozilla are at least trying to stick to something called "principals" -- things which are sadly lacking in much of the world.
Companies like Google with no principals apart from "make more money than anybody else" can implement anything any time but for the likes of the Mozilla Foundation trying to do the right thing means taking tough choices.
There is no reason for you, personally, to stick to open source but if open source stops being open source you won't even have that choice.
Seriously, it's people behaving just as Mozilla are now that gave you and I Linux in the first place. Without people "living in a fantasy land" we wouldn't be able to have this online conversation.

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Old 11-29-2015, 11:27 AM   #21
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There is such thing as having balance, one can still use proprietary software in linux while using open source in windows and OSX.
On my windows install a good percentage of software on there is open source, and the same is mostly true on linux.
Really the only true proprietary app I use on a daily basis is chrome, but thats because it works well on both OS's and I have acclimated myself to it quite well.
If its one good thing about google chrome is that it remains cross platform while working just about the same on both OS's.
Firefox however I feel has lost it in terms of its linux version, the windows version still remains one of my favorite browsers but its been slowing down in a decaying orbit in linux.
Again its progress in its solutions is what troubles me, if I could see things like my google play content work right off the bat in firefox without needing pipelight or do the HAL tango then fine but even if I did the HAL tango it will stop working when flash on linux stops being supported.
And that day is coming, the clock is ticking on the linux version of flash and so far Mozilla has done nothing other then announce that soon the browser will undergo a big revision that will cripple all extensions and send Firefox back to the stone age as far as third party extensions are concerned and I wonder if that will also effect the plugin support... most likely considering that Chrome is still a bit of a mess on linux but I feel its issues will be solved in due course as the chrome plugin issue is now on all OS's.
But Mozilla has proven little to me other then it wants to do DRM HTML5 and linux be damned.
Meanwhile i can watch DRM html5 content on chrome, chrome is producing the results so at this stage yes Google is showing its merit, the only blind spot is DRM flash but I blame that more on adobe then Google as it was adobe that screwed us over five times worse then google.
I use linux 99.9 of the time, barely go into windows except to do some gaming from time to time and give it its needed dose of updates.
I spend maybe two hours at best on windows, but again thats due to gaming not like I am in love with it (though I will say one good thing about windows 10 is that its a speed demon on my machine, it boots very fast for a windows OS and it doesnt slug down while opening apps) but I am in the end the right tool for the right job kind of guy and for me if Google chrome is the tool I choose to use then I will use it.
Sure its a cresant wrench in the box of a phillips head screwdrivers but at least its not a slegehammer.

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Old 11-29-2015, 11:41 AM   #22
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There is such thing as having balance, one can still use proprietary software in linux while using open source in windows and OSX.
Yes, of course, and I do that too -- I'm using Google Chrome right now to view Netflix because I have to.
However, we are consumers and not a foundation working to make an open-source browser. Mozilla my well, in the long run, decide to include this or that binary DRM blob on the browser but it is a decision which has to be taken very seriously because it will mean that their browser is no longer open source. As a consumer that may not matter to you but, as I typed earlier, it is vitally important that there remain some open source projects. If every open source project decided that when they came across a situation where they could "just include a closed source blob" they did so then there would be no open source. Again, Linux and the GNU tools we are using now would not exist if people like RMS didn't say "no, I'm not going to use that proprietary software".
This situation was created by lawyers for the MP Ass. of America and they are the ones to blame. Without their money lust we wouldn't need any DRM rubbish and Mozilla wouldn't be in a tough position. Please do not blame people trying to create open source tools and keep their integrity for a situation caused by pondlife lawyers.
 
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Well its because firefox may not be open source any longer after its going to include DRM that I say screw the pretenses, at least google is being honest and saying flat out their products are proprietary.
Mozilla still has the veil of open source yes but underneath its becoming another proprietary mess, heck even Microsoft is more honest in what kind of creature it is.
Its a giant snake, its always been and it always will be a snake.
Mozilla seems to be a shapeshifter, google however is a shark but at least you know where you stand with a snake and a shark.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 11:59 AM   #24
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Well its because firefox may not be open source any longer after its going to include DRM that I say screw the pretenses, at least google is being honest and saying flat out their products are proprietary.
Mozilla still has the veil of open source yes but underneath its becoming another proprietary mess, heck even Microsoft is more honest in what kind of creature it is.
Its a giant snake, its always been and it always will be a snake.
Mozilla seems to be a shapeshifter, google however is a shark but at least you know where you stand with a snake and a shark.
So now you're complaining that Mozilla is going to include proprietary code? An organisation which truly believes in open source software has, because of a bunch of lawyer scum, had to make an extremely tough, saddening and potentially dangerous decision and you're moaning about them?
I'm glad you think your ability to watch movies is more important than the existence of open source software.
 
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Well they are certainly not encouraging me by their inclusion of DRM, they are proving no better then Microsoft, google, apple or any other bigwig company.
They should have made more of a stand, done more so we would not have the DRM gap beteen the OS's
But no they buckled under pressure proving they are only in it for themselves.
I say to hell with Mozilla, what they done in the past is irrelevant in the current situation.
They made the deal, not I.
If I am going to make a deal with the devil I know their intent, I know Microsofts intent, I know googles intent.
But Mozilla, no I dont know the intent other than screwing everyone over who doesnt use windows and OSX, all they did is prove they are no better then the very devil we are trying to fight.
So yes I will consider both Microsoft and Google a better company right now, knowing intent is better than taking a wild guess.

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Well they are certainly not encouraging me by their inclusion of DRM, they are proving no better then Microsoft, google, apple or any other bigwig company.
They should have made more of a stand, done more so we would not have the DRM gap beteen the OS's
But no they buckled under pressure proving they are only in it for themselves.
I say to hell with Mozilla, what they done in the past is irrelevant in the current situation.
They made the deal, not I.
If I am going to make a deal with the devil I know their intent, I know Microsofts intent, I know googles intent.
But Mozilla, no I dont know the intent other than screwing everyone over who doesnt use windows and OSX, all they did is prove they are no better then the very devil we are trying to fight.
So yes I will consider both Microsoft and Google a better company right now, knowing intent is better than taking a wild guess.
This is hilarious. You are simultaneously complaining that Mozilla haven't included a binary blob and that they have.
 
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No I am complaining about the very idea of the situation
 
  


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