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Old 04-11-2019, 09:55 AM   #1
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Julian Assange has been arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy


Well I guess we all knew it was going to happen sooner or later...

Personally, I can't help but think a certain Iraqi video depicting a US attack on innocent civilians and journalists probably would not have come to light, had it not been for WikiLeaks. To my way of thinking, that is in the public interest to know about such things.

Although I can also see why a number of governments ain't exactly fans of Assange. So I guess it depends on which way you look at it. Although the truth as uncomfortable as it maybe, should be the most important thing. As it's fundamental to our freedoms and indeed, free speech.

Should the US extradite him?

Thoughts?

BBC News article: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47891737
 
Old 04-11-2019, 10:22 AM   #2
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Should the US extradite him?
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/w...t-d2fb9f603c9a

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The facts are that prosecuting Julian Assange under the Espionage Act for exposing US war crimes, as the Trump administration is attempting to do, would strike a devastating blow to press freedoms around the world. This is because there are no legal distinctions in place separating an outlet like WikiLeaks from outlets like the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the Guardian, meaning that a precedent would be set allowing for the prosecution of those outlets on the same grounds, who also publish anonymous government leaks. Which is why the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian have all warned sternly of this precedent, which has also been recognized by the Obama administration.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19632449

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As a parent I will always remember that WikiLeaks (Assange) helped to stop the torture of children in Iraq. The war cables revealed that the US government knew about the routine torture of prisoners and opponents including women and children by the Iraqi authorities, a de facto puppet regime of the US.
If the United States extradites him, it will violate the United Nations 1951 Refugee Convention.

There are all sorts of terrible precedents here that reek of unconstitutional consequences for journalism in general, not just Assange.

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Old 04-11-2019, 11:07 AM   #3
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If he is extradited it will not violate any international law because he is not a refugee. He sought refugee status with Ecuador and they have revoked it because he breached the conditions. He has not sought in in the UK and we wouldn't grant it anyway.

He will not be extradited to the USA for publishing leaks. We do not extradite people for activities that are not offences in the UK. He will only be extradited if he can be shown to be responsible for hacking a computer, which is a crime anywhere. If being a complete idiot were an offence, then he'd certainly quality: attacking the president of the country that's sheltered you is not a good idea.
 
Old 04-11-2019, 11:17 AM   #4
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attacking the president of the country that's sheltered you is not a good idea.
You're assuming that Assange fired the first shots, rather than firing back. The only thing I can find Assange attacking the Ecuadorian president for is planning to attack him. You're implying that Assange shot himself in the foot-- right through a hole that had already been blown there.

The country that sheltered Assange was Ecuador under Correa. Correa has since called The current president "The greatest traitor in Ecuadorian and Latin American history" and it seems like Assange has known about these plans for quite some time. There was possibly no reason not for him to attack the current president.
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The New York Times reported last month that Ecuador’s new president, Lenin Moreno tried to negotiate handing over Assange to the U.S. in exchange for “debt relief.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...t-extradition/

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Old 04-11-2019, 01:59 PM   #5
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You're assuming that Assange fired the first shots, rather than firing back. The only thing I can find Assange attacking the Ecuadorian president for is planning to attack him. You're implying that Assange shot himself in the foot-- right through a hole that had already been blown there.

The country that sheltered Assange was Ecuador under Correa. Correa has since called The current president "The greatest traitor in Ecuadorian and Latin American history" and it seems like Assange has known about these plans for quite some time. There was possibly no reason not for him to attack the current president.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...t-extradition/
Precisely my thoughts.
 
Old 04-11-2019, 02:59 PM   #6
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WikiLeaks and whistleblower laws should be protected and encouraged in a free society not discouraged and prosecuted. Look at how much the world learned from those "leaks".
 
Old 04-11-2019, 06:31 PM   #7
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Stories are coming out that this was indeed about Judas Moreno leveraging Assange for money-- hopefully he will be deported like a criminal (you don't simply impeach someone like that-- you hang them, though I'm against the death penalty, so you deport them and never let them return) and this will end his political career.

Assange's mum has a few choice words.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 12:17 AM   #8
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Stories are coming out that this was indeed about Judas Moreno leveraging Assange for money-- hopefully he will be deported like a criminal (you don't simply impeach someone like that-- you hang them, though I'm against the death penalty, so you deport them and never let them return) and this will end his political career.

Assange's mum has a few choice words.
I read an implicit threat in your post. You know what you can do with it.

Cheers and all that.
 
Old 04-12-2019, 01:00 AM   #9
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Stories are coming out that this was indeed about Judas Moreno leveraging Assange for money-- hopefully he will be deported like a criminal (you don't simply impeach someone like that-- you hang them, though I'm against the death penalty, so you deport them and never let them return) and this will end his political career.

Assange's mum has a few choice words.
Oh, and forgot to say: hopefully this will be another stone on the grave of an already decadent empire.

Cheers!
 
Old 04-12-2019, 10:26 AM   #10
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Well, this thread has rounded up the usual suspects! According to the Ecuadorian president, interior minister, and embassy staff, Assange refused to abide by the conditions of his asylum, hacked the embassy's network, didn't clean up after his cat, insulted embassy staff, and when sanctioned smeared shit on the walls. But then I dare say the tin-foil-hat brigade will say they were bribed by the USA or the Bilderberg Club or extraterrestials…
 
Old 04-12-2019, 11:04 AM   #11
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Well, this thread has rounded up the usual suspects! According to the Ecuadorian president, interior minister, and embassy staff, Assange refused to abide by the conditions of his asylum, hacked the embassy's network, didn't clean up after his cat, insulted embassy staff, and when sanctioned smeared shit on the walls. But then I dare say the tin-foil-hat brigade will say they were bribed by the USA or the Bilderberg Club or extraterrestials…
They could be lying...? You don't seem to have followed this, beyond perhaps what has been reported in tabloid press articles / mainstream TV news? This has been on the cards since Moreno took office (in 2017) and the current situation ongoing since the middle of last year.

Whatever you may think of Assange, the emerging facts still point to a deal between the US and the President of Ecuador. No sooner had Assange been picked up by the Met, than the US put in it's extradition request. The Swedish prosecutor is also considering reopening that case (again)...

All of this in the wake of talks between Moreno and the US aimed at improving relations...

There is nothing "tin foil" about the assertion that the US want Assange - all the evidence is there.

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Old 04-12-2019, 03:45 PM   #12
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Well, this thread has rounded up the usual suspects! According to the Ecuadorian president, interior minister, and embassy staff, Assange refused to abide by the conditions of his asylum, hacked the embassy's network, didn't clean up after his cat, insulted embassy staff, and when sanctioned smeared shit on the walls. But then I dare say the tin-foil-hat brigade will say they were bribed by the USA or the Bilderberg Club or extraterrestials…
David, at what point for you do tin-foil conspiracies stop being so?

Gulf of Tonkin, true
MKUltra, true
Tuskegee syphilis experiments, true
Poisoned alcohol during prohibition, true
Operation northwoods, true
Tainted polio vaccine coverup in the 1950's, true
Project Azorian, true
Iran-Contra, true
No WMD's in Iraq, true
Operation Fast and Furious, true
Cell phones spying on you, true
Cell towers increasing cancer, true

Shall I go on?

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Old 04-12-2019, 09:12 PM   #13
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Well, this thread has rounded up the usual suspects! According to the Ecuadorian president, interior minister, and embassy staff, Assange refused to abide by the conditions of his asylum, hacked the embassy's network, didn't clean up after his cat, insulted embassy staff, and when sanctioned smeared shit on the walls. But then I dare say the tin-foil-hat brigade will say they were bribed by the USA or the Bilderberg Club or extraterrestials…
You really are a terrible shill. I'll pray for your soul.

Also, it was the IMF.

https://www.rt.com/news/448012-ecuad...e-citizen-imf/

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...r-an-imf-loan/

https://news.antiwar.com/2019/04/11/...sanges-arrest/
https://www.checkpointasia.net/imf-d...sanges-arrest/
http://greeknewsondemand.com/2019/04...h-authorities/
https://patriotpowerednews.com/did-i...of-journalism/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/ecuado...dition/255942/
https://popularresistance.org/with-e...e-extradition/
https://commonspace.scot/articles/14...netary-suicide

https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/01/...m-citizenship/
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Ecuador has begun a "Special Examination" of Julian Assange's asylum and citizenship as it looks to the IMF for a bailout, the whistleblowing site reports, with conditions including handing over the WikiLeaks founder.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/04...is-fraudulent/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ar...julian-assange
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...0221-0009.html
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The IMF and Ecuadorian officials only reached a "Staff-Level" Agreement on a US$4.2 billion to be approved if the country fulfills several policy conditions.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...tional-weapons

https://therealnews.com/stories/ecua...eance-imf-loan
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$4.2 billion IMF loan, submission to the US, and vengeance appear to have been President Moreno's true motives for revoking Assange's asylum in Ecuador's London embassy, says Ecuador's former ...

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Old 04-13-2019, 11:03 AM   #14
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Looking at some of the sites just cited (not all — I do have a life to live} merely confirms my opinion of this thread. Personally, I couldn't care less if the Ecuadorians had auctioned him. As the London judge said, the man's a narcissist and Britain will be well shot of him.
 
Old 04-13-2019, 01:03 PM   #15
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I must admit that I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, Assange is a useful whistleblower and, as such, ought to be protected against extradition to the US. He is not an American citizen and was not on American soil when the alleged hacking offences were committed so I don't see what claim the US can have against him in international law. If they did have such a claim, they would have it against any journalist in the world who reported something embarrassing about them.

I don't accept the argument that if he were extradited to America only on the suggested charges, the punishment would be trivial. Once he was on American soil, they could bring any additional charges they liked. Charging him with only a minor offence initially could well be a deliberate ploy to get around the well-known British distaste for extraditing hackers.

On the other hand, the Swedish allegations need to be investigated. You cannot support a movement like #metoo and at the same time ignore claims by a woman who may have been sexually assaulted simply because the man she accuses is a popular left-wing hero. Assange claims that if he were extradited to Sweden, the Swedes would send him on to America. The UK has a record of standing up to the US on matters like this and Sweden does not. Well, if that is the case, perhaps a Lockerbie-type solution could be agreed on: set up a Swedish court to try him here.
 
  


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