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Old 03-30-2017, 01:24 PM   #1
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Question Is it OK to do this? Send in a resume with no position specified


In my city there is a game development company, their website displays several positions available at the moment, but I'm not aware which position I can do. Can I send in my resume with no specific position intended?
 
Old 03-30-2017, 01:32 PM   #2
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not a good idea but you could list your qualifications in the areas they have available and tell them somewhere in that e-form your willing to fill whatever the position best suited for your qualifications. Providing you have some. If not then lie and hope you're able to learn on the fly and bs your way though a situation until you find out the real answer.

as the saying goes "if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with b***s***".

or "be honest" and tell them you're just looking for a entrance position so you can learn and excel in that field of study to help make their company more vital to the business community as well as the consumer base that they are targeted for.

that one goes under "it is easier to catch a bear with honey then vinegar".
hehe

if you can I'd still slap in a few options as most employers do not like blanks in the form.

Leaving the position you want to fill blank only shows them your indecisive and have no real direction in what you want to do with your life.

So research the positions open to find out more about what they entail so you can get a better idea on what area you'd actually like to learn and may have some aptitude in doing as well.

the final choice is really up to you. let your conscious be your guild and I would not recommend going in blind. So researching the how to on whatever positions are open would help to familiarize yourself better to them as well.

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Old 03-30-2017, 01:38 PM   #3
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Sure, but if YOU don't know what position you can do then they probably aren't psychic enough to guess what you're looking for.

You stand a much better chance if you actually do your homework on the company and positions and send a CV with an appropriate cover letter for the position you're applying for.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 02:08 PM   #4
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Can I send in my resume with no specific position intended?
No. That is 100 percent guaranteed not to work.

You apply for a specific position, and then you have a conversation with them (called a job interview) to determine whether you're a good fit for that position.

If the interview determines that you're a better fit for a different position, they'll let you know that.

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i'm not aware which position i can do.
Don't ever say that during the recruitment process. But you should know the following.

Technical and artistic positions, including those at the most junior level, are typically filled by people who either went to school for them or who have a proven track record (previous experience, strong portfolio, etc).

Administrative positions are typically filled by people who have developed transferrable skills from equivalent positions, possibly in other industries.

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Old 03-30-2017, 02:55 PM   #5
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I am thinking about doing this

In my CV, I will write down,

"The Lighting Designer or any other appropriate position at the company"
 
Old 03-30-2017, 02:59 PM   #6
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I am thinking about doing this

In my CV, I will write down,

"The Lighting Designer or any other appropriate position at the company"
At least drop the "The".
 
Old 03-30-2017, 03:53 PM   #7
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I am thinking about doing this

In my CV, I will write down,

"The Lighting Designer or any other appropriate position at the company"
As someone who has been in hiring positions at larger companies and with my own now, I can tell you that your resume would be tossed into the trash as soon as I read that. When I'm hiring someone for a position, I look for someone:
  • Who has researched the position I've put out
  • Tells me why they think they're a good fit for it
  • And backs it up with relevant experience on that resume.
Putting something like you're suggesting on a resume is essentially saying "I have no idea IF you're even hiring, and I can't be bothered to look at your website for open positions, much less be bothered tailoring my resume to fit." If I get a stack of 50 resumes, I short-list the ones who appear to have put effort into things.

And you've gone from "security expert":
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...or-4175591497/

...to not knowing what a lighting designer does (only one month ago):
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ny-4175599692/

...to now wanting a job as a Lighting Designer, all within 5 months? Don't mean to sound harsh, but put yourself in the hiring managers shoes...would you hire someone who doesn't have the skills you're looking for, and can't even tell you which position they think they fit?

You appear young, so some advice is warranted: you will get out of things what you put IN to them. Attention to detail, effort, and honesty will get you far. Focus on something you want to do, as based on your posts, it appears you're scattered right now. Get the experience/knowledge about that path, and if you can't at least get real-world experience (some software is VERY pricey), you can read about it, and get some background. Use similar tools, so you'll have that base to build on. Don't show up for an interview unless you are totally prepared to do the job if you're offered it, because if you're not, that will haunt you for MANY years.

Based on your original post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by snowmagician
In my city there is a game development company, their website displays several positions available at the moment, but I'm not aware which position I can do. Can I send in my resume with no specific position intended?
I'm confused. How can you NOT be aware of which positions you're qualified for?? You read the list of requirements...if you have them, then you have a chance at the job. If you don't, or don't even KNOW if you do...then you're not qualified.

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Old 03-30-2017, 04:24 PM   #8
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I'm confused. How can you NOT be aware of which positions you're qualified for?? You read the list of requirements...if you have them, then you have a chance at the job. If you don't, or don't even KNOW if you do...then you're not qualified.
That is because the position description itself is rather vague. It simply says it wants a lighter. It does not specify any software required for the position. ( Eventually, after doing some research, I learned that the company uses 3ds Max )

Below is the description of the position.

Training:
College diploma in modelling for video games or equivalent.Relevant
Experience
* Minimum 1-3 years’ experience in shading, texture, special effects, image processing or another relevant field;
* Experience in photography an asset;
* Experience in computer graphics or pre-rendering an asset.
Skills and Knowledge
* Sense of initiative and proactivity;
* Attention to detail;
* Ability to accept feedback and adapt to change;
* Originality and resourcefulness when setting out solutions;
* Extensive knowledge of lighting, colour and image composition;
* Knowledge of other video game production working units;
* Solid artistic knowledge of lighting techniques, realtime and pre-rendering.

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Old 03-30-2017, 04:33 PM   #9
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if you got no experience in gaming programming in any area whatsoever.. you'd better wait and get some it is not like learning how to tie your shoes. It is a little more complicated then that. Intern even requires a college course.

as you noticed that they only used the word "lighter" for the position, one that is a lighter would not have to bother looking up what he or she is in that respect. Someone with the experience they are looking for would already know.

Blender or you could get a copy of 3dMAX and learn on your own but again what years are they looking for in experience?

If you really want to go into any section of gaming programming -- community college or higher would help to cut down on the learning curve.

I am sure it is a very cut throat competitive area as Computing is a dog eat dog world. Just do not let that worry you or scare you away from learning. just keep it in mind.

it is a personally rewarding field if you're into using your brain like that.

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Old 03-30-2017, 04:53 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by snowmagician View Post
  • modelling for video games or equivalent.
  • shading, texture, special effects, image processing or another relevant field;
  • Experience in photography an asset;
  • Experience in computer graphics or pre-rendering an asset.
  • lighting, colour and image composition;
  • Solid artistic knowledge of lighting techniques, realtime and pre-rendering.
So how would you rate your expertise in those?

Remember: you're applying to work as a professional artist.

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Old 03-30-2017, 04:56 PM   #11
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Obviously, you have never visited a real-world H.R. department!

If you did, you'd have seen the "stacks 'n stacks 'n stacks 'n stacks of resumes" that come in every single day. (Thanks to the web, "Mondays are much worse!")

Before they go to any hiring manager, they go through HR. (And, they are processed nowadays 100% by HR software.)

Nearly every company has a "hiring site" through which they post positions and allow you to submit your resume to that position. (These sites are the portal to the company's candidate-management software.)

With hundreds of new resumes to plow-through every single day, no H.R. clerk is going to try to "figure out" which position(s) to send your resume to. You, after all being "the salesperson in this potential commercial exchange," have to be the one to identify exactly which customer you are pitching to ... and, to pitch it.

Generally speaking, also, "don't waste time sending anything on paper." Connect to their HR portal and submit your resume electronically. Generally, the software allows you to store multiple resumes and then to click on which one you want to submit to a particular position.

- - -

Also, please consider the plight of the hiring manager! In addition to all the work (s)he has to do, trying to "keep the programmers in line" for another day, (s)he has to deal with ... "today's stack!"

(Uh huh, "been there, done that." And, "it sucked!")

Your resume had better look like everyone else's does, and it had better pitch a business proposition to me on the very first line, in order to cause it to be "put down on the all-important left-hand pile." (Actually, software has automated all of this, too: there is no actual paper.)

You also ought to know that "Google search-engine technology" is at work here. I don't have time to read them all. Yessir, keyword searching technology is going to have winnowed the list before I ever see it. However, I am not telling you now to "break out the ol' SEO handbook!"

I'm just trying to give you an inkling of what you are actually up against . . . .

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Old 03-30-2017, 04:57 PM   #12
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The Question is: what can you offer them, for certain, that they want and need?

Think of your competition: how many people would like an entry-level, "no experience required" job?

Write, even here, about your Linux: experience, interest, goals.

Focus on what others want, even here. Best wishes! Work hard and deliver
 
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Think of your competition: how many people would like an entry-level, "no experience required" job?
But also: especially for an entry-level job ... "what kind of a person are you?" Are you someone who's willing to be part of a team, doing very-exacting work under very-high-pressure conditions? Will you be reliable? Do other people speak well of you? Will you be the valuable addition to my team that I wish I'd hired six months ago, or are you going to be an insufferable jerk? (Trust me, there are plenty of jerks out there . . .)

Please understand: "I need to buy something! 'Entry level' or no, if you're who I need, I need(!) you! I've got the money, and I'm ready to buy."

Are you "it?" (Why or why not?) That's what I've got to decide: literally, "by my gut, and in the next fifteen seconds." With only 85 resumes to plow through today, today's a pretty good day.

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Old 03-30-2017, 05:19 PM   #14
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That is because the position description itself is rather vague. It simply says it wants a lighter. It does not specify any software required for the position. ( Eventually, after doing some research, I learned that the company uses 3ds Max )

Below is the description of the position.

Training:
College diploma in modelling for video games or equivalent. Relevant Experience
* Minimum 1-3 years’ experience in shading, texture, special effects, image processing or another relevant field;
* Experience in photography an asset;
* Experience in computer graphics or pre-rendering an asset.
Skills and Knowledge
* Sense of initiative and proactivity;
* Attention to detail;
* Ability to accept feedback and adapt to change;
* Originality and resourcefulness when setting out solutions;
* Extensive knowledge of lighting, colour and image composition;
* Knowledge of other video game production working units;
* Solid artistic knowledge of lighting techniques, realtime and pre-rendering.
There is nothing vague about this description. These points are very clear, and you should know if you have them or not, regardless of the software package used. If you know how to do shading/lighting in one package, you can certainly learn it for another very quickly. And the fact that they do NOT list a piece of software, indicates it's of little concern at this stage.
So do you:
  • Have a college diploma in the relevant subject, or the equivalent in experience?
  • A minimum of 1 year experience in shading/texturing/etc?
  • Experience in photography?
  • Experience in CG and pre-rendering??

If you don't, then you're not qualified for this position. And please go back and read what I posted previously...you responded to the very last part of my post, but don't acknowledge the rest, and those are salient points; the folks here are trying to help you. We've given you solid advice...it's up to you to take it or not.

Again, if you're not qualified for the job, you're NOT going to be able to talk your way into it..and if you do, things will not go well for you. You'll not only lose that job, but such things follow you around. Everywhere you send your resume after that, they'll view it with suspicion. Why? You told companyX you could do the job..and couldn't. So why should companyY believe you now?

I'm really not trying to be harsh here, but trying to help you see what you're doing doesn't have a good outcome for anyone involved. If you really want this as a career, then you need to bring the skills to the table.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 11:34 PM   #15
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You should mention the position on your resume. Try to find out which positions they are offering and apply for the one that suits your skills, education, etc the best. You can consider multiple positions though but one position for one resume you submit.

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