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View Poll Results: Your stance on weapons law
Pro gun (all guns for self defence) 12 35.29%
Anti gun (no guns for self defence) 11 32.35%
Selective gun (only selected guns for self defence) 5 14.71%
other option 6 17.65%
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:45 AM   #16
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Also. To put this in perspective. A squirt gun can be just as deadly as a sniper rifle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...f_Kim_Jong-nam
I'll still take my .338LM
 
Old 04-09-2019, 12:31 PM   #17
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No i am not saying that in Europe there are NO "wrong neighbourhoods", of course there are plenty but they are kinda marked on map so to speak, and in Europe it is different cause people mostly will beat you up or scam you or steal from you not shoot you up because law is more strict when it comes to firearms.
Where can I get me one of these maps? You'd die laughing if you saw how my building is marked.

I live on a campus with two buildings and approximately 100 apartments between them, my building being the larger of the two and people of all cultures live here. The Sheriff Dept and Police Dept are both within two blocks of where I sit.

There has been gunplay in my building when a guy caught his wife naked in bed cheating on him with another tenant. The cheater pulled a pistol, the hubby slapped it out of his hand and threw him through the sheet rock wall. No shots were fired.

A soda bottle meth lab blew up in an apartment down the hall from mine, that's considered hazardous waste but they had the apartment rented again in no time at all.

A guy in the other building got hit in the head with a hatchet and almost died when a drug deal went bad. He was the dealer and the guy didn't like him raising the price so he went home and came back with a hatchet.

I was sitting outside late at night a few days ago and a girl who lives in my building sat down to talk, saying she had the worst night of her life. I asked her what happened so for the next 20 minutes she told me about how her man got a prostitute pregnant. She was 8 months pregnant herself, the hooker 3-4 months along. Who walks up but the hooker who lives in the other building... There wasn't a fight but she got load off her chest in the following 20 minutes while my clothes dried.


I feel more of a threat from the building Security Guard. He has a history of carrying guns to his truck as a secondary means of intimidation if he can't intimidate you physically. We've already been through all that. He can't intimidate me physically or with guns, which makes him even more dangerous because it frustrates him. There is something seriously wrong with a person who does that and no telling what he'll do.

I'm more concerned with him pulling a pistol out of nowhere if he gets a snoot full than any crackhead, hooker, pimp, drug dealer, con artist, psycho, etc. I might encounter on a daily basis. I can deal with them on their own level and will deal with him too if if comes to it.

I'm never afraid in any of those situations, it's a normal way of life for me. I've lived here 11 years and plan to live here the rest of my life.


I don't think you're a racist, Arcane. I think it's probably more a case of cultural awkwardness due to the somewhat sheltered life you've lived through no fault of your own. You sound like you've had limited exposure to other ethnics groups on an intimate level and I believe your comments reflect that more than that of a bigot or a racist IMO.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 02:31 PM   #18
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Having self defense tools and not needing them. Is still safer than for the folks that have them . Unless they have no skills and blow their own head off.

Needing self defense tools and not having them. Well. I've heard about about Pol Pot, and other pogroms where not having self defense weapons did not work out for the victims that were unarmed.

Being the son of concentration camp victims. You cannot convince me otherwise.
My folks moved to the USA for a very good reason.

Traveling in wrong neighborhood is dangerous in any part of the world.

Posted by a traveler/roamer, gypsy rider, 6 foot 7 inch, that used to fold little good martial arts men in half also. When they act like irresponsible.

USMC taught me a thing or 2.

Latvia and Pecos are worlds apart. In my podunk town. We have Latinos, whites, arabs, blacks, asians, the whole world is here trying to cash in on the oil boom.


Think about this for a sec. If in a bad situation with your Mom and Sister and daughter with you. You are trying to protect them from a violent situation that has just developed in front of you. With a sigh of relief. In your mind. You smile inside as you know all your girls are packing heat in their purses.

You initial adrenaline rush starts to settle down. Like I said. Better to have than to have not.

Sometimes in life. Running is not a option.
Lesson over.

I don't carry a gun. By the way. But I know where to borry one rickey tic like if the need arises. I consider that a good thing.

Others may not. Oh well. What ever trips your trigger.
+100% roky!

Also, it is important to point out that in the USA the "Right to Bear Arms" is a Right protected by the Constitution, not granted by the Constitution or Government. Protection against criminals is the reason, and the viewpoint of the framers of the Constitution is that often times the government are the worst criminals. So its not just the bloods, crips, Latin Kings, MS13, crack heads, drunks, thief's, thugs, hooligans etc... It is also to protect the country from an out of control government. As roky pointed out, history has plenty of evidence regarding countries that do not have the right to arms and those countries becoming totalitarian states.

First thing the Nazis came for were the guns, first thing pol pot banned were guns and martial arts weapons.

Switzerland requires its residents to serve in the Military and to own a gun, they have some of the lowest crime in the world. England has very restrictive gun laws and has very high rates of stabbings, rape, assault and interestingly enough gun violence as well. You see, banning guns only stops good people from having them, the thugs and criminals will always have the blackmarket etc... to buy them from.

Roky, my condolences and prayers to your family for what they went through!
 
Old 04-09-2019, 02:32 PM   #19
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{...}I don't think you're a racist, Arcane. I think it's probably more a case of cultural awkwardness due to the somewhat sheltered life you've lived through no fault of your own. You sound like you've had limited exposure to other ethnics groups on an intimate level and I believe your comments reflect that more than that of a bigot or a racist IMO.
Thanks. Finaly someone who tries to understand context before reply. Even between us Europeans this "social awkardness" is very big, no realy try traveling you be suprised how people treat each other different even being close to each other on map, but it is not about sheltered life. Just where i live and worked basicaly almost all are|were white. And only few nonwhites was met during guestwork in EU. Maybe it is because i was guestworker and did not live in those countries to further increase exposure to different people. But this is why i try to write with specifications if not understood by default. This is exactly why i made this topic - to ask and educate cause all i have is rumors from coworkers and few met on road and ofcourse social media.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 03:03 PM   #20
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Thanks. Finaly someone who tries to understand context before reply.
I understood the context; and I understand your words too.

"I'm not a racist..but..."
"....but we have basketball team in one of our cities that have black players and stereotypes about them kinda proove right ..."

You're believing stereotypes about an entire group of people. And you keep harping on 'context'...they play that sport FOR A LIVING. And somehow you're surprised they have drive and will to win?? Or does context not matter when it's you??
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Even between us Europeans this "social awkardness" is very big, no realy try traveling you be suprised how people treat each other different even being close to each other on map, but it is not about sheltered life. Just where i live and worked basicaly almost all are|were white. And only few nonwhites was met during guestwork in EU. Maybe it is because i was guestworker and did not live in those countries to further increase exposure to different people.
Do you typically contradict yourself??? It's "not about sheltered life"...then you say where you are is 'basically all white', and about how you've not been exposed to others. Which would be a sheltered life, wouldn't it???
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But this is why i try to write with specifications if not understood by default. This is exactly why i made this topic - to ask and educate cause all i have is rumors from coworkers and few met on road and ofcourse social media.
Again, if you want to know, go do it. Travel, learn. You're not going to get it from a forum, nor by going with rumors and YouTube videos. My boots have been on the ground on several continents and many countries, and people like you always have this 'context' thing going on. You can be told whatever, but always go back to "Well, my FRIEND said xxx, and I saw a video...", and dismiss it. And you go right on with your insular view of things, believing yourself to not be biased or bigoted.

Replace with whatever country/religion/skin color/whatever you want...the phrases are all the same. No idea how old you are, but it doesn't matter. If you want to know, go and find out. I can tell you from personal experience I've met some of the best people in the worst places, and have been proud to know them. And have been sickened by some of the 'fine people' I've met. And I can also tell you that there is NO common denominator between any of them....you judge people by who they are and what they do, period.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 03:11 PM   #21
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Guns for everybody, and I don't carry or even own a gun.
I feel it's safer if more people carry them because then in most cases a criminal would be outnumbered and even then they wouldn't know if the person they are robing/attack would have a gun or not, so IMO crime would be lower.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 03:37 PM   #22
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Concealed handgun licensed carrier here, own a few handguns, not a bunch. All for self/home defense and shooting range fun. I live in Texas, where it is legal to carry open and concealed if you are licensed. I feel safer knowing other folks around me are (possibly) carrying.

Bottom line to this is, as other posters have mentioned: criminals don't care or follow laws because they are criminals. We can enact all the gun control laws we want but only law abiding gun owners will follow them. Criminals will do whatever they can get away with. So if no one can legally own a gun, criminals will be the only people with guns because they will figure out a way to get them or make them.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 04:21 PM   #23
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I feel safer knowing other folks around me are (possibly) carrying.
Not I. Some states have very limited training or almost none at all and target shooting in my opinion does not qualify. It is human nature to believe that we are more capable then we really are and a one on one situation with a bad guy in self defense is quite different then a mass shooting incident. How are the police going to know who are the good guys?

The NRA's statement that "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun" in my opinion is a fallacy.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 05:04 PM   #24
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Just voted "Anti gun (no guns for self defence)" since that's the closest to what I think.

The problems aren't caused by guns but by allowing absolutely anybody at all to easily get a (or many) gun(s). There are too many people who simply can't be trusted. Criminals aren't the only problem - unstable neighbours and police with a "shoot first, ask later" attitude help spoil it for everybody else.

Disclaimer: I am a gun owner.
 
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Just voted "Anti gun (no guns for self defence)" since that's the closest to what I think.

The problems aren't caused by guns but by allowing absolutely anybody at all to easily get a (or many) gun(s). There are too many people who simply can't be trusted. Criminals aren't the only problem - unstable neighbours and police with a "shoot first, ask later" attitude help spoil it for everybody else.

Disclaimer: I am a gun owner.
So the small percentage of crazy and/or irresponsible should take away the right from the majority that are responsible and sane? That is a very slippery slope that could be applied to many things.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 05:33 PM   #26
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So the small percentage of crazy and/or irresponsible should take away the right from the majority that are responsible and sane? That is a very slippery slope that could be applied to many things.
I question the "small" part - whatever the number, it is causing a significant number of problems.

And it already happens with other things such as cars - or aren't drivers' licences required in the US any more?

Edit: I'm calling for suggesting (only suggesting since I don't live in the US) restrictions on who can have access to guns, not a total gun ban.

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Old 04-09-2019, 06:10 PM   #27
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I think the options in the poll were too absolutist.

Had the option been available, I'd probably have come down for some guns for self-defense.

Afterthought:

Of course, the best gun for self-defense is a shotgun. Shotguns don't miss.

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Old 04-09-2019, 07:11 PM   #28
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The whole point of the 2nd is that Citizens have the right to defend themselves against a tyrannical govt and/or any other who would threaten their life or family's lives etc.
America would be safer for criminals and corrupt govt if Citizens had no guns- that's a proven fact.
Gun ownership isn't about public safety.
 
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The whole point of the 2nd is that Citizens have the right to defend themselves against a tyrannical govt and/or any other who would threaten their life or family's lives etc.
America would be safer for criminals and corrupt govt if Citizens had no guns- that's a proven fact.
Gun ownership isn't about public safety.
Excellent, thank you for understanding!
 
Old 04-09-2019, 08:39 PM   #30
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I'd prefer SCUM control over GUN control.

I'd also want the violence that children see stopped.

Saying all that makes little difference. Most people in the US will never die from a weapon. They will happily eat, smoke, drink and drive poorly to their death.

I drive almost an hour to work each way and it's worse than changing targets on a live gun range.

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