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Old 05-03-2017, 03:39 PM   #31
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What? You've never heard of an American nuclear submarine? You'll never find 'em ...
It would have to be an all out complete strike against the North, but I venture to guess that the DPRK isn't dumb enough to not have hidden some artillery. I am not denying the power of the US forces, but what troubles me is that you are brushing off any possibility for the DPRK to at least wreak some havoc on the South before being overrun by the US and ROK forces. They can still do significant damage.

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Old 05-03-2017, 06:19 PM   #32
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RT America - RT EXCLUSIVE: ‘Solve N. Korea crisis diplomatically’ – Amb. Oh Joon
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Former South Korean ambassador to the United Nations, Oh Joon, sat down with Simone Del Rosario in Seoul, South Korea, for an exclusive interview. He spoke about the importance of maintaining peace in the peninsula and of cooperating with regional powers to achieve orderly denuclearization. He talked about the US deployment of THAAD as well as the sanctions regime imposed on North Korea and how it might affect the country. He maintained that Koreans could and should resolve the crisis diplomatically and offered predictions concerning Trump’s likely effectiveness in helping to bring peace to Korea.
 
Old 05-03-2017, 07:45 PM   #33
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Frankly, "Korea's problems began" when World War 2 ended and the entire peninsula was thereafter regarded as "a Prize of War." Suddenly, the entire peninsula was "given away."

Well, "this did not exactly 'sit well,'" so some very-wretched historical events took place in very rapid succession. The USA dived-in, "to save the World from Communism™," until finally – many years and many lives(!) later – it became abundantly clear that the war operation was "going nowhere, fast."

"The powers that be, at the time," basically decided to "hit the 'Pause' button." Without formally declaring any sort of end to it, they simply walked away.

Well, there was, therefore, "a line drawn in the sand jungle," and for the next fifty-odd years the USA tried its best to ignore it. They declared that "Korea" now consisted of "North" Korea (above the line), and "South." They poured money and attention on the latter, and tried their best to ignore the former.

"Unfortunately, China more-or-less did the same." So, North Korea was left with nothing but its own hatred ... its hatred of everybody.

Then, some stupid fool decided that they ought to have missiles.
 
Old 05-03-2017, 08:46 PM   #34
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I like Mr. Roberts perspective regarding the real reasons for this " fake crisis "!!

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017...crisis-really/
 
Old 05-04-2017, 08:47 AM   #35
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I like Mr. Roberts perspective regarding the real reasons for this " fake crisis "!!
Mr. Roberts does like to hear himself talk, but I am quite confident that the United States is not conniving to "nuke Russia and China with little harm to itself."

You cannot use a nuclear weapon, period, without "harm" to the entire planet. The atmosphere would be filled with radiation caused by elements with a half-life of thousands of years. Plutonium is one of the most-toxic metals known to man. Hiroshima and Nagasaki continue to suffer radiation-caused syndromes to this day – and they will, forevermore.

As a weapon of war, a nuclear weapon is tactically and strategically useless, because it denies use of territory to both sides, filling ground and sky with poisons that will never fade away.
 
Old 05-04-2017, 09:58 AM   #36
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N. Korea warns China of ‘grave consequences,’ Beijing still wants ‘friendly relations’

North Korean has warned China of “grave consequences” if it “chops down” relations between the two countries. Despite the angry outburst, Beijing says it wants to maintain friendly relations with its neighbor.
I think the DPRK needs to heed it's own words and not antagonise their only real ally.
 
Old 05-04-2017, 11:00 AM   #37
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N. Korea warns China of ‘grave consequences,’ Beijing still wants ‘friendly relations’
omg.
if it wasn't for the suffering people, this would be a joke.
 
Old 05-04-2017, 01:20 PM   #38
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"China 'tells citizens to leave North Korea' as tensions with US escalate"

"Embassy reportedly calls Korean-Chinese residents with warning"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7715376.html
 
Old 05-04-2017, 02:06 PM   #39
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Perhaps you must be "of a certain age" to know this, but war is not only inevitable (as all things in the past must be) it has been ongoing since 1950. Peace was never declared, and neither side has ever surrendered. It has not been a very HOT war since 1953, but we have been in it all of this time and you were just not paying attention.

An armistice was signed so that the US, the USSR, China, and their allies would not end up in a world war, but no party was really satisfied and there have been incursion attempts from the north in every year since. We still have a protective presence in South Korea due to our agreements there. In the early days their military was clearly not up to repelling the larger, well equipped, well trained and disciplined North Korean military. I do not want to find out if that has changed the hard way.

The U.S. intelligence community has several hot-spots that they monitor and gather intelligence about constantly where war is either inevitable or the risk level is high. Korea has been one of those constantly since 1950, and I suspect it always will be. For obvious reasons, there is a limit on what detail you and I can get about that but there is a lot of unclassified information available. That intelligence effort would give me some little comfort, if only the current U.S. president could read the reports or would listen and learn at the intelligence briefings.

To avoid that war going HOT again will take intelligence (both kinds), diplomacy, and coordination between allies both eager and reluctant. The U.S. is not currently equipped (at the White House level) to lead that effort.

I plan to pray and duck.

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Old 05-04-2017, 03:40 PM   #40
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...there is a huge possibility that the United States may try to solve the problems resulting from inflation by going to war again. This is what many political leaders of the past have done. When those in high political positions are faced with difficult domestic economic conditions they cannot solve, they tend to look abroad for some foreign devil. They then blame their domestic troubles or their need for higher taxes or more controls on the policies of some foreign power.– Percy L. Greaves
 
Old 05-04-2017, 07:17 PM   #41
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I heard a "high ranking politician" on NPR the other day talking as if North Korea were a child wanting to play in the nuclear cabinet, you voted for morons voting for weapons so get it over with!.edu

Again, if everyone on the planet who has killed someone or feels they could if need be would just would just kill themselves; instant evolution! https://youtu.be/aECzfk-Biuo

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Old 05-04-2017, 10:22 PM   #42
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RT America - It’s ‘exactly the wrong time’ to break off diplomatic relations w/ N. Korea – author
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Winslow Myers, author and board member of the War Prevention Initiative, joins RT America’s Ashlee Banks to discuss war deterrence, calling the idea that nuclear weapons can be expected to deter war forever “a complete technological fantasy.”
 
Old 05-05-2017, 08:23 AM   #43
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"Breaking off diplomatic relations" would be seen by those war-idiots as a sign of "the glorious ending that we have all been dreaming of!"

No, we should use firm (world-wide) determination, and diplomacy, to force an ending to this dangerous nonsense while at the same time protecting, as best we can, the citizens plaintiffs of the country. Who knows what such a crazy regime might willingly do to them (above all the other things they've already done to them ) if they thought that their "glorious Armageddon Moment" was finally about to happen?
 
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we should use firm (world-wide) determination, and diplomacy, to force an ending to this dangerous nonsense
erm.
what exactly do you mean by that?
it sounds exactly like the kind of thing a US american politician would say before marching military into yet another country.
not so diplomatic, unless that word's meaning has somehow mutated in the united states.
 
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Styxhexenhammer666 - North Korea, China Exchange Threats and Rebukes in Unprecedented Diplomatic Row
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Today on "never happened before": https://archive.fo/Gt33n
 
  


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