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Old 02-22-2021, 11:03 AM   #16
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Yeah . What enorbet said. Try walking outdoors out at my place without sun screen and a hat. Another something no one gives a crap about.


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The worst kind of outlook possible, in my opinion.

Errrr. A little late for me to do any meaningful thing about it. So I pass the baton to my grandkids.
I guess you don't have kids? Or are you superman? Capt America? I care. I know my limitations.
Stuff was not a issue when I was young. We had other things killing us. Like a draft.

No sense brooding about it. High hat don't sit well on me.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 06:34 AM   #17
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Of course 5G is harmful! It's going to encourage people to spend even more time online because they can download things faster. Eventually they'll have no real life at all.
I mean... I've just tested 4G on my 2018 iPhone and download speed is 301 mbps - https://i.imgur.com/eYdm3mC.jpg. That's more than enough already.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 09:58 PM   #18
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FYI --

https://rdcu.be/cfMkg

https://mmrjournal.biomedcentral.com...17-0139-0#Sec9

Zhi, WJ., Wang, LF. & Hu, XJ. Recent advances in the effects of microwave radiation on brains. Military Med Res 4, 29 (2017). https://doi.org/10.1186/s40779-017-0139-0

See section entitled -- "Mechanisms underlying learning and memory are damaged by microwave irradiation"
 
Old 02-25-2021, 08:14 AM   #19
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It's not clear to me what you conclude from those reports, but it is clear that the general population has little to fear from 5G. The first report even found no connection between, for example, mobile phone usage and any brain damage and even discovered that the known areas most adversely affected by either frequency or amplitude were not correlated with phone exposure. Even workers at transmitter stations where power is at a maximum by many orders of magnitude suffered only minor effects.

Perhaps more importantly, why single out 5G? It holds no special position of threat just because of it's frequency ranges I can find.
 
Old 02-25-2021, 11:46 AM   #20
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gama rays penetration...and other rays:
https://sciencing.com/type-radiation...g-8512450.html
5G is just local
 
Old 02-25-2021, 11:50 AM   #21
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It's obvious what the answer is. We just all need to wear tin hats.
 
Old 02-25-2021, 12:09 PM   #22
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... We just all need to wear tin hats.
yup, i am Pastafarian, i already got metalhat
 
Old 02-25-2021, 02:35 PM   #23
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Of course 5G is harmful! It's going to encourage people to spend even more time online because they can download things faster. Eventually they'll have no real life at all.
Can someone mail me 5G floppy discs ?
 
Old 02-25-2021, 05:37 PM   #24
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Can someone mail me 5G floppy discs ?
Sorry. Floppies are limited to 1.4M.
 
Old 02-27-2021, 09:02 AM   #25
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It's not clear to me what you conclude from those reports, but it is clear that the general population has little to fear from 5G. The first report even found no connection between, for example, mobile phone usage and any brain damage and even discovered that the known areas most adversely affected by either frequency or amplitude were not correlated with phone exposure. Even workers at transmitter stations where power is at a maximum by many orders of magnitude suffered only minor effects.

Perhaps more importantly, why single out 5G? It holds no special position of threat just because of it's frequency ranges I can find.
I am looking at the general concensus here at LQ regarding the topic. And I want to see whether or not all the facts regarding 5G's effects on life, in general, are out there, "to be found," as stated in @enorbet's quote , above.


Personally, too many unknowns exist for me to simply accept the words of those with a vested interest in industry. After all, we are never lied to by corporations out simply to make money, are we? (i.e. Monsanto and dioxin, plus RoundUp/glyphosate issues, to name but two of a myriad). I would LOL but the issues surrounding this in capitalistic societies are too serious.


A lie by omission is still a lie. I do not see clear facts, either, and it makes me suspicious do to past lies by those who would prioritize in making money over quality of life and/or Life in general on this planet.


I do not want to be a 'guinea pig' (especially if I were to be living in a big city like London or Seattle or others where thousands of the 5G towers will be present in order to provide extensive coverage). It is the towers that concern me, not so much the receivers.

Last edited by TorC; 02-27-2021 at 09:06 AM. Reason: an omission -- LOL!
 
Old 02-27-2021, 01:47 PM   #26
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I am looking at the general concensus here at LQ regarding the topic. And I want to see whether or not all the facts regarding 5G's effects on life, in general, are out there, "to be found," as stated in @enorbet's quote , above.
Personally, too many unknowns exist for me to simply accept the words of those with a vested interest in industry. After all, we are never lied to by corporations out simply to make money, are we? (i.e. Monsanto and dioxin, plus RoundUp/glyphosate issues, to name but two of a myriad). I would LOL but the issues surrounding this in capitalistic societies are too serious.
A lie by omission is still a lie. I do not see clear facts, either, and it makes me suspicious do to past lies by those who would prioritize in making money over quality of life and/or Life in general on this planet.
I do not want to be a 'guinea pig' (especially if I were to be living in a big city like London or Seattle or others where thousands of the 5G towers will be present in order to provide extensive coverage). It is the towers that concern me, not so much the receivers.
So you're saying that, because you can't find any evidence that 5G is NOT harmful, then it MUST be harmful until proven otherwise...?

And why is 5G way more harmful than 4G...? If that's not what you're trying to imply, what exactly are you implying?

Because at the end of the day, it's called evidence, and you just haven't provided anything more than a bunch of what might otherwise be called conspiracy theories. In any case, this is what's called confirmation bias...
 
Old 02-27-2021, 02:30 PM   #27
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There is no evidence because there haven't been any studies with this type of RF exposure yet. This is all new technology.
All of the cell phone research seems to be fairly old.

The new 5G mm wave system will require cell antennas every 100 to 200 meters near ground level.

There is mounting evidence but no consensus that long term exposure to RF energy could cause tumors near the areas where you hold the cell phone like the head and neck.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...r/faq-20057798
 
Old 02-27-2021, 02:50 PM   #28
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Attention all 5G opponents. Please do try to explain 2 things

1) What is special about the frequency of 5G? Please consider that microwave ovens, designed to "boil and fry" fluid and tissue operates at 2.45 GHz. 5.0 GHz is not more effective or manufacturers would use it instead. (Note: a secondary question might be why aren't you worried about those lower frequencies?)

2) The only other factor in how much work a waveform can accomplish, whether beneficial or damaging, is power which ultimately is the most important factor since almost any kind of wave of any substance at any frequency (light, water, sound, etc.) is not harmful or won't do work at lower power levels but will at some power threshold. So first, what power level is required for 5.0 GHz to be harmful and, secondly, exactly how do you imagine that having a reception device increases that power level?

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Old 02-27-2021, 03:40 PM   #29
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5G is 5th generation and not necessarily its operating frequency. 5G consists of 3 bands. The 5G high band uses mm wave frequencies and in the US are 24.25 – 28.35 GHz, 37 – 40 GHz and 64 – 71GHz. The mid band does use 2-10GHz frequencies but still on the typical existing phone towers with the low band stuff and existing 4G. The high band is where all the speed comes from but the range is only about 800 ft so these are the towers I believe OP is concerned about. Its only been deployed in a few cities.

I do believe that long term exposure time could be hazardous.
 
Old 02-27-2021, 07:05 PM   #30
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michaelk you still haven't answered why frequency makes any difference at common power levels (btw frequency isnot identical to wavelength in number and is just another way of describing the same thing which is commonly in mm at comm frequencies) . It is far more about power than frequency and it is still totally mistaken that holding a 5G phone near your head makes any substantial difference since the transmission power of the typical phone is less than 1.0 watt and that is true for 3G, 4G, and 5G. IOW, 2 GHz or 6 GHz, so what?

C'mon guys get serious. Just FTR here is a sample of actual frequencies though it matters little

C-band: 2–6 GHz for coverage and capacity.
Super Data Layer: Over 6 GHz (e.g., 24–29 GHz and 37–43 GHz) for high bandwidth areas.
 
  


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