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12-19-2024, 07:54 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2010
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 2,147
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If Tiktok is banned, how many people will download the file and side-load it?
I have a 'smart'phone but no service. I download apps on my computer, move them to the 'phone', install them. How many people will do this with Tiktok if we ban it?
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12-19-2024, 08:21 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2014
Distribution: Slackware
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Carriers might ban the entire network, not just the package.
So you will need proxy in another country to access it, which is risky. Not many would take the risk.
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12-19-2024, 11:50 AM
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Member
Registered: Nov 2024
Location: Tirana, Albania
Distribution: Slackware
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Banning never solved the issue..
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12-19-2024, 12:06 PM
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#4
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Senior Member
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Elgin,IL,USA
Distribution: KDE Neon
Posts: 1,244
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People can also use the website if sideloading is an issue.
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12-19-2024, 12:18 PM
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#5
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Member
Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Montana USA
Distribution: KUbuntu, Fedora (KDE), PI OS
Posts: 593
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What's tiktok? .... And who needs it anyway? One of those waste your time sites like facebook I suppose?
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12-19-2024, 01:42 PM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Apr 2005
Distribution: Linux Mint, Devuan, OpenBSD
Posts: 7,634
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rclark
What's tiktok? ....
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I realize that's probably a rhetorical question but anyway it's a weapon operated by Bytedance on behalf of the CCP aimed at generation Alpha in the West. The apparent goal is cultural genocide. It works by preying on the kids at the age they are most mentally vulnerable and just starting to form a cultural identity. It has been succeeding very well in that regard by creating a first-of-its-kind disconnect between gen Alpha and the preceding cohorts. CBS 60 Minutes had a good episode on it a while back, which sadly did not get the traction it deserved perhaps due to discussion getting moved to social control media (and thus censorship). Search the CBS site for the words "spinach tiktok versus opium tiktok" Or for more detail, with references, see The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness by Jonathan Haidt.
As for the original question, "side-loading" is a term of Apple propaganda intended to stigmatize and marginalize the concept of installing software of your choice on equipment which you own. Both iOS and Android are mostly FOSS components even if they are well-hidden and appear proprietary and/or have proprietary components. Yet even on proprietary systems, you have the right to install and run the software of your choice regardless of whether psychological games or technical restrictions are thrown in your way.
India has had great success so far in banning Bytedance's Tiktok. Technically a ban would not be exceptionally difficult but after that those self-injurious enough to get a hold of it anyway would then need to expose themselves to it via a VPN.
Last edited by Turbocapitalist; 12-19-2024 at 01:45 PM.
Reason: spelling
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12-19-2024, 03:08 PM
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#7
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LQ Guru
Registered: Oct 2004
Distribution: Arch
Posts: 5,341
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12-19-2024, 03:54 PM
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#8
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Guru
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Canada
Distribution: Slackware, Void, Debian, Ubuntu
Posts: 7,439
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rclark
What's tiktok? .... And who needs it anyway? One of those waste your time sites like facebook I suppose?
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The only social media that I use sparingly is FB(my 21 year old tells me that it is social media for old people). I've seen tik tok videos pop up here and there. I don't use it.
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12-19-2024, 09:07 PM
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#9
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LQ Guru
Registered: Apr 2005
Distribution: Linux Mint, Devuan, OpenBSD
Posts: 7,634
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Quote:
Originally Posted by teckk
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Yes. That's it, though it focuses too much on the collection more than the goals and purpose of the collection.
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12-19-2024, 09:08 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2010
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 2,147
Original Poster
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elcore
Carriers might ban the entire network, not just the package.
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The 'expert' I heard on NPR this morning described only the app not updating, not also the platform being banned. He may have been wrong.
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Originally Posted by elcore
So you will need proxy in another country to access it
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Tor? A vpn?
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Originally Posted by elcore
which is risky. Not many would take the risk.
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What's risky? We may ban it, but we aren't going to put American kids in jail.
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Originally Posted by rclark
What's tiktok?
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A short-form user-generated video repository.
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Originally Posted by rclark
who needs it anyway?
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No one.
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Originally Posted by rclark
One of those waste your time sites like facebook I suppose?
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Isn't time-wasting the #2 use of the Internet - after porn? Users may be wasting their time; ByteDance is making book.
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Originally Posted by Turbocapitalist
"side-loading" is a term of Apple propaganda intended to stigmatize and marginalize the concept of installing software of your choice on equipment which you own.
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I didn't know it was pejorative. A friend used it when explaining to me how to get software on my 'smart'phone without service.
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12-19-2024, 11:22 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Elgin,IL,USA
Distribution: KDE Neon
Posts: 1,244
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From what I have heard about the law that was passed, the only punishment is for the app stores that carry the app. So Android users can still side-load, Apple will have to use a website.
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12-20-2024, 06:19 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2014
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 1,839
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomTroll
What's risky?
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The additional layer of risk with integrating a service between two other services, and the fact that node operator is in another country?
Think of it as crossing an intersection, if you had to cross 2 roads before, now if one crossing is banned you must cross an additional road to go around the banned crossing.
So you risk getting hit by a car in 3 spots and not just 2.
Other details you're asking about, no idea. All I know that some folks post videos there, never been there myself.
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12-20-2024, 09:56 AM
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Moderator
Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 22,235
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Must be a bad world when one wants to let a hacker in their phone.
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12-25-2024, 12:22 PM
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Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 98
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Perhaps not many will do so given that Tiktok's target audience seems to be children and morons.
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12-26-2024, 07:59 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2010
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 2,147
Original Poster
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Quote:
Originally Posted by starkid
Perhaps not many will do so given that Tiktok's target audience seems to be children and morons.
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Children and morons have money. People who want money may serve them. TikTok makes money on them.
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