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Old 03-26-2007, 09:22 AM   #1
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Exclamation I want to switch to Linux completely, but what is holding me back?


Hello,
I currently dual boot Ubuntu with Windows XP, I would like to make the jump and remove windows all together, but what is holding me back?
-Essential Programs I cannot Use
-Freehand MX
-Dreamweaver MX
-Photoshop CS2
-MS PowerPoint
-Entertainment
-Games Such as Command and Conquer Generals and LOTR Return of the King


If I was able to get such applications running well under linux i would really enjoy it. I have used wine, but it seems to flaw out in many areas, although it seems like a great idea. Does anyone know of better alternatives to WINE even if it is emulation. Also is there a decent way to emulate windows altogether. I would prefer to emulate single programs though. Any opinions, ideas, how to's etc. are welcome and appreciated.
 
Old 03-26-2007, 09:41 AM   #2
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Depending on the specifications of your system you could try a seamless desktop setup in which you run a copy of Windows XP in a virtual machine, then login via remote desktop and can use the programs 'natively'. Here's a link for you to look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wi...UnderQemuHowTo
 
Old 03-26-2007, 09:45 AM   #3
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You surely can't get 100% similar equivalents for those programs, you'll have to cope with what you get, to some extent (though MS PowerPoint is very much the same as OpenOffice2's equivalent). GIMP is a great tool, but some don't like it's interface -- and the fact that it can't deal with 16-bit images, without extra plugins like UFraw for example (Krita is another one, but I guess it's not Photoshop from the point of view of a devoted Photoshop user). There are programs that can do the same as the ones you listed, that work natively under Linux, but you need to get used to them -- they're not exactly what those are.

The best way of course is to stick with native programs, because emulation is never quite as fast as non-emulation, and in cases like Wine it's not as pretty either. Your best solutions are, in my point of view, Wine, Crossover office and VMware (the last one runs a virtual Windows as a whole, and is not that fast..)

If you need those programs for work and can't give up of them, my advice is to either stick with Windows completely or have a dual-boot system if you want to have Linux too. There is simply no sense in dumping Windows completely if you can't get the essential tool programs work 100% well on Linux, because your work is the number one thing and the tools you need must be -- if you ask me -- as suitable as possible. Operating system should ease your tasks, not the other way around; if you want Linux, you can get it, but don't abandon Windows if you need it. After all, you've paid for it..and because you can get them both, why not? When working, work with Windows, and when you're done, jump into Linux.

I've seen numerous questions that ask "how can I get this Windows program X run on Linux" and I guess you've seen twice as much answers telling you it's not either possible or doesn't work 100% all right.

The short answer: until the software firms start producing native Linux versions of their great programs you'll either have to abandon them or stick with the operating system they are meant to be run on. For working purposes I don't recommend using any kind of an emulator, unless it's tested to work 110% so that it doesn't disturb working in any situation.

EDIT: and if you've bought all your software legally, I doubt if you abandon them: ex-Macromedia's, nowadays Adobe's, software like Dreamweaver cost quite a lot of money, as does Windows. Considering the amount of money you've already consumed to get them, there is no sensible reason to give up on them, and if they don't work under Linux, there is little point in trying to "live with it".

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Old 03-26-2007, 08:27 PM   #4
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For exactly this purpose, I've got a Windows box. And a couple of OS/X boxes. And a couple of Linux boxes.

Nothing "dual boots."

Let's face it... hardware is cheap now. You can afford to have more than one unit. You can afford to buy hardware just to run one application, if necessary, when a particular program is the one that you prefer to use and this is the best environment in which to run that program. "Dinking around" with software-tricks is just a waste of time, and time is money.

So, I use Linux ... virtually everything that I do on the x86 platform at the moment is Linux .. but I feel no urge to "switch to" Linux in the sense of going to great lengths to force a (poor, unenlightened, blighted, miserable ) program that runs best on Windows to run somewhere else.

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Old 03-26-2007, 08:38 PM   #5
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Dreamweaver is what held me back, that and Fireworks. As far as fireworks, there is the Gimp, even though it looks like Paint, it is a very large program. Dreamweaver-bluefish. Also, it sent me back into a crash recovery course in HTML, which can really help. If you ever need some fancy things, check out dynamicdrive.com and Google "HTML tags", the first item should be websource.net or something-good place to go.
 
Old 03-26-2007, 09:56 PM   #6
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Here are the 100% free programs I use instead:
  • Freehand -> Inkscape
  • Dreamweaver -> Emacs
  • Photoshop -> Gimp
  • Powerpoint -> LaTeX + Beamer
Admittedly, I have to dodge the games category a bit, but I'm a console person anyway. One could use ZSNES to play old SNES games, but I've actually got an old SNES so it's not necessary for me.
 
Old 03-26-2007, 10:03 PM   #7
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A computer is a tool. Use what gets the job done for you. I have one windows program I need for my job that just won't run in Linux.
 
Old 03-27-2007, 01:02 AM   #8
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you have to build an "personal well secluded industry"(dont translate that words by words though ... you get what i mean) out of using linux or *nix tools , apps and enviroments alone ...

although it could be hard initially(especially for desktop users) but by doing that , you wont missed anything and nothing will holds you back in the long run ...


//.2 cents ...


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Old 03-27-2007, 03:36 AM   #9
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i use gimp for photo editing though Gimpshop is supposed to look and feel more liek photoshop.

for presentations i use openoffice 2 (impress) is a total workalike of MS Powerpoint...

for HTML and webpage design there are hundreds of tools out there depending on whether you write teh code yourself or use WYSIWYG
i personaly just use Kate or Jedit for writing HTML code direct as the syntax highlightng is all i need.

Gaming wise io run Unreal tournement (GOTY and 2003) without probklems on my linux box..

UT2003 even comes with a linux installer shell script (on CD3)

quite a few openGL games have linux isnatllers oyut there on teh web, trhough they can take some extensive googeling to find them!
 
Old 03-30-2007, 06:49 PM   #10
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Everyone, thanks for the words of advice, it seems that i will continue keeping my windows partition, as i need those programs for school. If it were up to me what programs, formats etc. i believe i would have all linux for sure. Thanks again.
 
Old 03-30-2007, 07:18 PM   #11
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It's hard to get around programs that are needed for school. The intermediate programming class I took last quarter was taught in C#, and using Visual Studio was required. I wouldn't have gotten very far if I'd tried to work that on Linux. (Personally I think no class should be allowed to require Windows only programs, but I doubt that will change anytime soon.)

In your case, you could probably get away with using some other programs instead of what is 'required'.

Dreamweaver: No one can tell which HTML editor a page was made in from the code, so you could use something else. It could be WYSIWYG or a text editor with (or even without) syntax highlighting. The thing is they may teach you how to do things using Dreamweaver, and you'll need to figure out how to do those things using another app or hard coding. If all you need is to make HTML pages, you can do that from any platform. If you have a class specifically in Dreamweaver, it could be difficult.

MS PowerPoint: The "Impress" program included in OpenOffice is a great replacement. It feels a lot like PowerPoint, and best of all, it can read and write files in .ppt format. You can make a presentation using Impress under Linux, save it as .ppt, and then put it on a flashdrive and view it with PowerPoint under Windows. Same thing as Dreamweaver though, if all you need is to make .ppt presentations, Impress will be fine. If you're actually taking a class in using MS PowerPoint, it may be a bit difficult.

Photoshop: If all you need is to manipulate images, GIMP will be fine. If you have a class in Photoshop, or are a die-hard PS user, GIMP will not be satisfactory. Gimpshop may be a little better. It's free software, you could just give it a try.

I don't know what Freehand is. Gaming is a complete lost cause on Linux. There are a few offered natively, but running Windows games on Linux just won't work well at all.

In summary, there are many programs that will offer similar functionality. Even if you prefer the Windows program, you may consider checking them out just so that you don't have to reboot your system as much. However, for the time being there are programs that will only run under Windows and exact functionality does not exist under Linux. Gaming is pretty much Windows only right now. If you have a Windows partition, and require/want Windows programs or games, it's probably best to keep Windows around.

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Old 03-30-2007, 07:30 PM   #12
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VMWare workstation is a lot faster than VMWare server. Don't ask me why; I don't know.

I use VMWare workstation routinely for those things that require me to have Windows - and when you consider that I develop and market a product which in its current iteration is Windows only, you can see that I need Windows quite a lot. However, I do all my development and most of my testing in a VMWare virtual machine hosted in Linux.

Now, VMWare workstation isn't fast enough in the video and audio to play games. So, there is no help for you there. But I would certainly expect the performance of dreamweaver to be acceptable, and also photoshop. So you might consider it. Keep in mind, though, that you have to purchase Workstation and it runs a couple hundred dollars.

Bottom line is that with your indicated needs, you can't get shut of windows now.

Me, I'm working on a new release of my software which will run on windows, linux, and mac. Then maybe I can shift my development off of windows and only use it for testing. That'd be nice. But the new generation product is 18 months off at present.
 
Old 03-30-2007, 09:45 PM   #13
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Thanks for the comments, i am interested in what everyone has to say and their experiences. And you just got me interested in what you make, not for advertising or anything, but what exactly is the program that you make? (jiml8) as for now, i find that I use Linux 90% of the time, and only for those certain tasks do I use windows. I'm not hard core gamer, so that is not my first priority, but it is usefull in times of boredom.
-I don't have the specific need of MS Powerpoint, word or excel, the oppenoffice.org one work great, + i like the format options. As for
-Freehand MX
-Dreamweaver MX
-Photoshop CS2
my classes are and will be very program specific, maybe i can take what i learn there and bring it to a Linux equivalent for use, especially since photoshop is used in my photography class, im sure gimp will be a good replacement once i learn the essentials.

++++ I think i saw a screenshot of someone running dreamweaver under WINE, does anyone have a link to a how to on getting that running, seeing as i tried it and it didn't work......and finally as for freehand, it is a basic design program basically replaceable by gimp etc.... so when out of class, i can probably design with gimp or other equivalents.

I am still interested in what ya'll have experienced and learned in your change (if you had one and i'm sure most of us are linux converts).

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Old 03-30-2007, 11:03 PM   #14
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I found this page on running Dreamweaver under Wine using Ubuntu 6.06: Link, slow to load.

Might still work with Ubuntu 6.10. Keep in mind though, even if it works programs running under Wine don't always look that pretty.
 
Old 03-31-2007, 12:18 AM   #15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchell7man
Thanks for the comments, i am interested in what everyone has to say and their experiences. And you just got me interested in what you make, not for advertising or anything, but what exactly is the program that you make? (jiml8)
Go to my profile and follow the link to my site. I wrote the entire site, btw, in php on a Linux server, though another person gave me the graphical layout to use.
 
  


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