http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3306081.stm

International news, baby! I'm on the highroad tonight!

nice one!

And a great quote, too!

Ian

Shame it's inaccurate. Dying from another's actions can be many things other than murder. I'm also very dubious about men taking the high moral ground in debates that don't affect them directly.

Hmm..... one of the issues to consider here, is at what stage during an embryo's development is it sufficiently sentient to be considered as "another" ??

i think thats all its down to. At conception a baby is nothing but an unconscious bundle of cells, it cant think, it cant move, it cant do anything, its being developed. Maybe a few months down the line (when it would be too late for abortion anyway) the baby would be 'alive'.

I think any woman should have the right to have an abortion, because i dont see it as murder (especially during the early days of development). If other people see it as murder then they can refuse abortions for themselves, but i hate the thought of someone making a decision like that for me (if my partner had become pregnant or whatever)

When doctors kill people in surgery, it is malpractice, not murder.

just my 2

dogs have more rights than unborn children sad it is...

I second that. If the Pro-Lifers had their way, this Planet would have 10 Billion people and there would be no way to FEED them all, in which case they would end up dying anyway.

Pro-Choice= Letting Women make their own decisions!!

So: if there are too many people causing mass starvation, (including yourself)
then why do you expect to keep the population down by killing an innocent child? what if some one shot you, saying: the population is in overload, I need to kill some people? you, personally, wouldn't appreciate that.

And: as soon as sperm meets egg, there are 23 + 23 (46) chromosomes in that "ball of cells" , the same as a human. I think that that means that it's human.

what if that baby grew up to cure the food shortage? think about it.

In cases where the mother and baby will die, but the mother could survive if the baby was aborted, then it would be ok.

not looking for a debate here,
just my 2 centavos

titanium_geek

I also have 46 chromosome in my hair, but I dont consider a trip to the barber or a once-over with a bic to be a mortal tresspass.

I think we have to look at the ability to be viable life form outside the host (mother). Without the incubation, this bundle of cells would not survive. During the incubation period this bundle of cells is semi-parasitic, not symbiotic, and obligatorially dependant. If it could survive without this, then miscarriages would not be a terminal event, they would simply be a premature birth.

Up untill the period of external viability, how can you consider this a life.

so, why do women get their other children to feel the baby kick? Why not ignore pregnancy altogether, saying: it doesn't matter, it's not separate yet.

I don't want to start a debate, flame etc...

I just want to state my opinion: Abortion is morally wrong. It is the murder of a little being, and as such, is wrong. I understand that it is a tricky issue, and there will be different opinions. Let's just agree to disagree.

titanium_geek

You know what I don't get or understand:

I heard a story that they killed around 300 bears in some state (can't remember exactly) stating they were getting overpopulated, I guess they do the same thing with deers and other animals.

Where's our population control with people?

I feel its just as wrong to kill an animal simply cause they are overpopulated when were spreading like a mad virus ourselves.. Now killing is just wrong, no matter what it is but I am Pro-Choice and feel the laws we have here in the states of the limits of abortion meet the moral needs.

Some things I just don't understand.. Humans are stupid at times, really, we are.

That's my two cents.

Note: What I've said is my own personal opinion and is meant to not offend anyone. If I offended anyone I'm sorry for I'm not liable for my own actions when posting such nonsense out of my head. Cheers.

I'll have to agree with you on this one. In my opinion, (and you do not have to accept it) anyone that kills or harms something helpless is comitting a crime (at least a moral crime).
I'm saying the above statement for MOST things. However, if that helpless thing did something to deserve punishment, most likely I would differ.

Regards,
Jerry

Here's where I find the loophole:

If somebody kills a pregnant woman on her way to get an abortion, the person's charged with two counts of manslaughter. Could somebody explain this to me, please?