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Old 07-20-2021, 03:06 PM   #16
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I doubt this was already asked or answered, so ... what the heck are you doing with the laptops that you're replacing them every 6 months?
Nothing unusual! They were failing because, as used devices, their longevity was unpredictable; and I generally lacked the knowledge and skill to even know why they failed, much less save them. For instance, let's say that most of the ones that died suffered from cooling fan failure. Well, I learned only quite recently that even if one lacks the time, willingness, knowledge or skill to open the computer and replace the fan (which is harder for a laptop), external fans are easily available. (I am planning to buy one to revive a laptop that still runs but keeps shutting itself down due to the CPU always overheating.)

Another example: just once, some years ago, another laptop became useless only because something in the LCD display broke. If I even knew how to replace only the laptop's screen (I think I've done it once), it would have been unusually difficult for me due to impaired coordination. Besides, for the cost of a separate screen for a used laptop, I could possibly get another used laptop. (I guess I could've connected it to an external monitor, but then it arguably wouldn't have been a laptop anymore.)

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Old 07-20-2021, 08:15 PM   #17
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Agreeing with "SlowCoder" ... I mostly use Apple Macintoshes, but I have [almost ...] never bought a "new" one. Instead, I lurk around the "Clearance and Refurbished" section of apple.com. Where you will find the products that were brand-new last year.

Here's where all the computers that were in all those retail stores finally wind up ... restored to like-new condition and backed by exactly the same AppleCare® extended warranties that are available for brand-new gear. However, since in the eyes of the law they are now "not 'new,'" they now sell for substantially less. Place your order online, and "a remarkably ordinary-looking box" will be delivered to your home day after tomorrow.

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Old 07-21-2021, 02:05 AM   #18
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Quite surprised you buy apple. Overpriced crappy designer toys... I wouldn't even touch a refurb or second hand one...

Or are Apple one of your affiliated companies along with Oracle?
 
Old 07-21-2021, 10:41 AM   #19
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Quite surprised you buy apple. Overpriced crappy designer toys... I wouldn't even touch a refurb or second hand one...

Or are Apple one of your affiliated companies along with Oracle?
I've actually never owned an Apple product unless we consider a FireWire device an Apple product since the technology was invented by them. That it substantially exceeded the performance and value of USB isn't a case alone. Early Mac's employed SCSI drives which vastly exceeded IDE drives again in performance and value but also in longevity and reliability not to mention that multiple drives could be simultaneously accessed, nearly two decades before that was commonplace with WIntel. Ipod? fuggedabottit, nobody ever made an MP3 player that was better in any way.

There's considerably more but the point should be clear that much of what those of us that have never actually owned an Apple product believe is the advertising FUD spread by WIntel possibly assisted by Apple's own somewhat pretentious advertising but it is pretense with some basis in fact. Appl products do generally cost more but the quality is very high. They are provably not "overpriced crap".

It remains to be seen how Apple's "All In" strategy with ARM will play out but RISC5 does have extreme potential. I only mention this because I'm old and distinctly recall absolutely rabid loyalty in the old Ford vs/ Chevy warfare which in retrospect now seems silly and quaint.
 
Old 07-23-2021, 12:20 PM   #20
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Overpriced crap - do your research.
 
Old 07-23-2021, 01:09 PM   #21
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Overpriced crap - do your research.
How about the research that reveals 97% customer satisfaction with Apple products? Care to compare to Wintel? FTR I'm not promoting Apple gear, obviously, or I would have owned some. It's just that I think it is myopic to generalize negatively about a company that still represents a large percentage of Film production and special effects companies. It isn't for me but that doesn't mean it is for nobody.
 
Old 07-23-2021, 02:32 PM   #22
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I request that this Apple vs. Wintel discussion end now, because it was never very relevant to my OP and because it's too un-diplomatic from one end--calling one side "crap."

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Old 07-23-2021, 02:50 PM   #23
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enorbert, I'm surprised you've resorted to the fallacy of popularity... 97% of those who buy overpriced shiny new s**t, assembled in the same factories as "wintel", containing the same CPUs as "wintel" love the products...
 
Old 07-24-2021, 06:18 AM   #24
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My last toy is an 8 year old Acer C720 Chromebook, if it fails (no sign of that) I might buy a M1.
 
Old 07-24-2021, 07:10 AM   #25
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Talking used CPUs...

My first Intel machine as a Compaq Deskpro 2000 workstation with twin Pentium pros, bought used from a broker back around the Millenium. It was fitted out with a single Pentium pro and a blank socket. I bought a second hand Pentium, pro, step 9, from EBay to team up with my existing step 7 model . Yup, I checked, you could run different steppings, well, 7 and 9 anyway. I had to add a second hand power converter module as well. No idea of their electrostatic history.

Once I'd added the "new" parts, the initial boot took much longer that I expected with it finally coming up just as I was beginning to think I'd bricked the whole box. It had re-configured the CPUs with the "new" step 9 processor as primary and the step 7 as secondary. Everything worked fine after that, lasted ages! I've rarely bought new kit preferring second hand stuff from brokers who sell Corporate IT refresh bits and pieces which are generally about three years old. Everything's been top notch so far,

Play Bonny!

 
Old 07-25-2021, 02:56 PM   #26
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Overpriced crap - do your research.
At least the crap works, the $M crap costs money and doesn't. Just when it starts working they 'invent' new stuff and start sucking again.
 
Old 07-25-2021, 05:09 PM   #27
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My "wintels" have always worked well enough and cost a fraction of the cost of those designer toys for hipsters, especially once the pre-installed OS is wiped and I install my OS of choice.
 
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^ agreed.

I'm not even sure what "$M crap" is supposed to be, but I think all hardware I used came with Windows pre-installed at some point, and I cannot complain.

TBF, I see why some people prefer Apple stuff, but the added benefit is
a) questionable - both on soft- and hardware there's numerous reports that it isn't all as good as some dream it up to be
b) not large enough to justify the exorbitant prices
 
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It's easy for you Linux guys to say, but for non techsavvy people it's more economical investing in $A crap than $M crap - I believe.
 
  


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